Bah bah sacked and De Belin charged

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What if the court case drags on so long that it doesn't get resolved until De Belin is in the final year of his contract with Saints?

After say, 2 years out of the game, missing opportunities at rep duties (SOO & Australia), then being cleared of all wrongdoing, what bargaining power would he have upon entering the market hoping to find a new contract?
 

What if De Belin's contract ended at end of 2019 and the trial was not resolved until the end of 2020? That would mean no pay (from rugby league) in 2020. This will be a huge issue for the NRL if the player is found innocent.

Beattie kept saying in the interview that the NRL was ensuring that players would be on full pay while suspended. This ONLY happens if they have a contract in place for the whole period that the legal process is undertaken. If the player is in the last year of his contract, and is say charged in August, they will be suspended on zero pay the next year if the trial process is a lengthy one. You can also be sure that no club will offer a contract until after the trial decision comes down.
 
The NRL need to pull their head in a bit here.

If a player is found guilty by a court then judge them as guilty at such point.

Until then, Todd and Peter need to step back in their lane and run a game that's falling apart everywhere else.

(not so) funnily enough, I recently watched a clip of Gallop saying much the same thing. That these 'cases' are for the courts and not the nrl. Not sure how that went for snake but.... there ya go.
 
What if De Belin's contract ended at end of 2019 and the trial was not resolved until the end of 2020? That would mean no pay (from rugby league) in 2020. This will be a huge issue for the NRL if the player is found innocent.

Beattie kept saying in the interview that the NRL was ensuring that players would be on full pay while suspended. This ONLY happens if they have a contract in place for the whole period that the legal process is undertaken. If the player is in the last year of his contract, and is say charged in August, they will be suspended on zero pay the next year if the trial process is a lengthy one. You can also be sure that no club will offer a contract until after the trial decision comes down.
YEP. For every decision made on the run there will be unexpected consequences.
This debate should only be in its infant stages - not decided within a couple of hours.
The NRL should have referred all options to legal experts who would be capable of evaluating various outcomes. Only when armed with legal opinions should the NRL have considered the various ramifications.
The NRL is bowing to uninformed outcry. If, after full legal consideration the NRL made a decision then there would be a greater chance it would be more accurate and easier to accept.
 
The NRL is bowing to uninformed outcry.

The speed of this convinces me that it is not the NRL bowing to outcry, but GreenTurd who has manipulated everybody and got exactly what he wanted .... more power to one person (not a panel of judical experts) ... he has played the media, clubs and fans off a break ...
 
No decision has been formally made on walker - to be determined in the coming days. Doesn’t look like he will be allowed to play though from the high level comments by Greenberg and Beattie.

Decisions on salary cap matters to be given tomorrow.

FWIW I loved it when one of the journo’s accused Beattie of throwing the CEO under the bus with this new policy!
Walker's charges draw a penalty under the 11 years but Toddles is going to use his "discretion" and decide whether he'll be stood down.

Nice one ………..
 
Hi Guys it has been a while since I posted but this had dragged me from the lurkisphere.

In this scenario NRL player Joe Bloggs is charged with a serious offence and sits out 2 years while awaiting his day in court. He is found not guilty of the offence he was charged with, however the DPP believes they have grounds to appeal that not guilty decision and is successful in having the case heard in a higher court. Does this mean Joe Blogs will have to sit out another 18-36 months while the case is heard by that higher court? During the appeals process his contract with his NRL club expires, how does he get paid? Prior to Joe being charged he was an entrenched state and international representative, how is he compensated for loss of income from state and international representation that he would have surely been selected for?

Joe wins the appeal but is now 32 and has sat nearly 5 years out of the game and is uncontracted, what future does he have.

The NRL is not a court of law and they should not be standing any player down who pleads that they are innocent, this surely is a restriction of trade at best, I hope that the players association go on strike.
 
Wow. I'll be interested in the response from JDB's legal team on this.

Also I don't understand how they intend on applying this criteria "Under the new policy, any player who is charged with an offence that carries a prison term of 11 years or more will be automatically stood down." - we don't have mandatory sentencing in NSW do we ?? I'm no expert but don't judges rule on the sentence once the guilty verdict is made ? @SeaEagleRock8 can you clarify ?
Mate I'm sorry I can't clarify anything Greenberg and Beattie are doing at the moment and I'd be surprised if anyone can.

You are generally right about mandatory sentencing though. The pollies keep trying to introduce it in various ways, to prove how tough on crime they are (yeah that is really stamping out crime, way to go!) but the judiciary arc up and fairly quickly find ways around it.
Where all this leaves our player Walker is anyone's guess but it isn't looking good right now.
 
No, but he can challenge whether they have enough evidence to support the claim that he breached it.
They don't need evidence unless the NRL Contract stipulated it.

It was the weight of public opinion that caused his standing down on full pay in any case.
'Damage to the Brand.....' is again supported by Sponsors threatening to withdraw.
 
Funny not one mention of this news on nrl.com they are normally so quick with breaking news.
 
They don't need evidence unless the NRL Contract stipulated it.

It was the weight of public opinion that caused his standing down on full pay in any case.
'Damage to the Brand.....' is again supported by Sponsors threatening to withdraw.
The problem as I see it is who determines that a brand has been damaged? By how much do you quantify it? 1% or more?
Public opinion? Is there such a thing these days as everyone seems so keen to voice their opinions.
And who determines the seriousness of the damage? Currently it is just one man, Shoddy Greenturd. What happens when he is no longer in charge of the NRL?
 
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/jack-d...him-over-criminal-charge-20190306-p5128k.html

St George Illawarra Dragons star Jack de Belin is suing the NRL for misleading and deceptive conduct and challenging its power to suspend him as he faces a criminal trial for aggravated sexual assault.

In documents filed in the Federal Court, Mr de Belin claims the NRL and the Australian Rugby League Commission – the sport's governing body – did not have the power to suspend him on February 28 and it was "misleading or deceptive" to claim they had done so.



He also claims the NRL and ARLC have engaged in misleading or deceptive conduct by making public comments suggesting they had "formed a view that [he] was guilty" of sexual assault and had "engaged in conduct that warranted his immediate suspension" from the club.

His lawyers say those claims, which have been "repeated in the national media and continue to be repeated and disseminated throughout Australia", have caused "irreparable damage" to Mr de Belin's reputation and financial loss.

Mr De Belin, 27, and Shellharbour Sharks player Callan Sinclair, 21, were charged in December with aggravated sexual assault after they were allegedly involved in an incident with a 19-year-old woman in Wollongong during a night out on December 9.

The men have pleaded not guilty to the charges and will next appear in court on April 17.

Mr de Belin is asking the Federal Court to order the NRL and the ARLC to issue a press release and place corrective advertising in the Sydney Morning Herald, The Age and a raft of other mastheads stating that: “The NRL has not suspended St George Illawarra player Jack de Belin. He is available to play for St George Illawarra.”

He also wants the court to award him damages and costs and make a range of declarations, including that he was not "validly suspended or stood down" from the sport and that the NRL and the ARLC engaged in misleading or deceptive conduct and unconscionable conduct.

Mr de Belin's lawyers claim a major change to the game's disciplinary policy, announced on February 28 and requiring the automatic suspension of players accused of serious crimes, amounts to an unreasonable restraint of trade and is a "threatened suspension" rather than a suspension that has taken effect.

He is seeking an order permanently restraining the NRL and ARLC from inserting the new rule into the NRL Rules or NRL Code of Conduct.

Under the ARLC's old policy, players who pleaded not guilty to alleged offences were allowed to continue playing while the matters were dealt with in court.

Under the new policy, affecting the upcoming NRL competition, any player who is charged with an offence that carries a maximum prison term of 11 years or more will be automatically stood down.

NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg also has discretionary powers to stand down players charged with offences involving the assault of women or children. Players will be allowed to continue to train with their teams and remain on full pay.

Mr de Belin's lawyers say neither the NRL nor the ARLC had in their possession "any evidence capable of enabling them to properly form a view as to whether de Belin engaged in the alleged offence or conduct that constituted a breach of the NRL Code of Conduct".

An NRL spokesman said on Wednesday: "We have this afternoon received legal documents relating to Jack de Belin. We are currently reviewing those documents."

The parties will appear before Justice Steven Rares for a preliminary hearing on Thursday.
 
The problem as I see it is who determines that a brand has been damaged? By how much do you quantify it? 1% or more?
Public opinion? Is there such a thing these days as everyone seems so keen to voice their opinions.
And who determines the seriousness of the damage? Currently it is just one man, Shoddy Greenturd. What happens when he is no longer in charge of the NRL?
NRL can easily supply a list of Sponsors who would pull their monies.
No Company wants their brand being associated with anti social behaviour
 
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