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Matabele
Journey Man
Sorry - I haven't been here in ages!
The three terms are interchangeable. They are used to describe the tribe that inhabits the South western areas of Zimbabwe and the Northern part of South Africa. They are also used to describe the language that they speak. There's no hard and fast rules for which one has to be used when.
Sindebelee is not often used though. I think it might be the Zulu description of Ndebele. The Ndebele's splintered off from the Zulus under Shaka's (also known as Chaka) reign when a general called Mzilikazi kept some of the spoils of war for himself.
He set up in the area that is now Pretoria and "Ndebele" means "Long shield" because he adapted his shield to be longer than the Zulus, but kept the broad blade stabbing assegai that was wreaking havoc on the Xhosa and other tribes. Shaka's men finally caught up with Mzilikazi and Mzilikazi spanked their tails and sent them back to the Durban area.
Eventually the boers turned up and cordite won out over the assegai. Mzilikazi took his tribe north and settled near modern day Bulawayo, near the magical Matopos Hills. Bulawayo means "the place of killing" and Thabus Indunas or "the hill of chiefs" is where Mzilikazi dealt with a traiterous group by pushing them off the cliffs and letting the vultures deal with them
The Matabele are still in that area today and slowly being starved to death by the Mugabe regime which represents the Shona tribe. It's pretty much systematic genocide. Ndebele and Zulu are very similar languages in the same way as Dutch and Afrikaans. They can understand each other but they both think their language is the purer of the two.
There you go. Now you're swatted up on Southern African tribal history.
The three terms are interchangeable. They are used to describe the tribe that inhabits the South western areas of Zimbabwe and the Northern part of South Africa. They are also used to describe the language that they speak. There's no hard and fast rules for which one has to be used when.
Sindebelee is not often used though. I think it might be the Zulu description of Ndebele. The Ndebele's splintered off from the Zulus under Shaka's (also known as Chaka) reign when a general called Mzilikazi kept some of the spoils of war for himself.
He set up in the area that is now Pretoria and "Ndebele" means "Long shield" because he adapted his shield to be longer than the Zulus, but kept the broad blade stabbing assegai that was wreaking havoc on the Xhosa and other tribes. Shaka's men finally caught up with Mzilikazi and Mzilikazi spanked their tails and sent them back to the Durban area.
Eventually the boers turned up and cordite won out over the assegai. Mzilikazi took his tribe north and settled near modern day Bulawayo, near the magical Matopos Hills. Bulawayo means "the place of killing" and Thabus Indunas or "the hill of chiefs" is where Mzilikazi dealt with a traiterous group by pushing them off the cliffs and letting the vultures deal with them
The Matabele are still in that area today and slowly being starved to death by the Mugabe regime which represents the Shona tribe. It's pretty much systematic genocide. Ndebele and Zulu are very similar languages in the same way as Dutch and Afrikaans. They can understand each other but they both think their language is the purer of the two.
There you go. Now you're swatted up on Southern African tribal history.
Thanks for that.
Yeah I knew the basics, as in Mzilikazi doing a runner from the Zulus and kicking butt when they came after him.
I suppose the Matabele kicked the shona around when they got there so now its payback time. thats the problem when voting is along tribal lines, the bigger tribe is always going to win out and if the smaller one is the warlike oppressive ones then look out when the tables are turned.
Similar in Kenya a few years back and even rwanda recnetly
Yeah I knew the basics, as in Mzilikazi doing a runner from the Zulus and kicking butt when they came after him.
I suppose the Matabele kicked the shona around when they got there so now its payback time. thats the problem when voting is along tribal lines, the bigger tribe is always going to win out and if the smaller one is the warlike oppressive ones then look out when the tables are turned.
Similar in Kenya a few years back and even rwanda recnetly
Matabele
Journey Man
The Matabele would be more numerous than the Shona except that they settled on both sides of the Limpopo River and of course a dirty great big border line runs along that (and a big field of land mines, but that's another story).
So they're the minority tribe in both Zim and Sth Africa sadly.
Colonialism - don't you love it?
So they're the minority tribe in both Zim and Sth Africa sadly.
Colonialism - don't you love it?
Matabele
Journey Man
Not really Fluff. The local "brew" is made from millet and is almost porridge like in consistency. Around 1-2% alcohol tops and actually very nutritious. In the main the local brew is preferred to imported lagers. There's no endemic alcoholism.
Some of the half castes in South Africa are infamous for drinking metho. They've coloured it purple over there so people know what others are drinking but it doesn't seem to stop anything.
There's a bit of dope smoking but not much, though there is one tribe that have always used it and are given legal dispensation to continue the use. They're the most useless bunch of creatures you're ever likely to see. BaTonka tribe. :roll:
Some of the half castes in South Africa are infamous for drinking metho. They've coloured it purple over there so people know what others are drinking but it doesn't seem to stop anything.
There's a bit of dope smoking but not much, though there is one tribe that have always used it and are given legal dispensation to continue the use. They're the most useless bunch of creatures you're ever likely to see. BaTonka tribe. :roll:
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24 | 16 | 8 | 275 | 38 |
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24 | 16 | 8 | 222 | 38 |
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24 | 15 | 9 | 89 | 36 |
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24 | 14 | 10 | 96 | 34 |
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24 | 13 | 10 | 113 | 33 |
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24 | 12 | 12 | -40 | 30 |
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24 | 12 | 12 | -127 | 30 |
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24 | 11 | 13 | -1 | 28 |
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24 | 11 | 13 | -126 | 28 |
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24 | 10 | 14 | -70 | 26 |
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24 | 9 | 14 | -62 | 25 |
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24 | 8 | 16 | -168 | 22 |
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24 | 6 | 18 | -287 | 18 |
