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Arko Talks

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Mavin, May 13, 2015.

By Mavin on May 13, 2015 at 9:31 PM
  1. Mavin

    Mavin Well-Known Member

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    Manly Sea Eagles coach Geoff Toovey must ask himself a tough question, says Ken Arthurson

    514071-c52c1978-aaaf-11e4-b4a3-9d4f296075c1.jpg Ken Arthurson, the godfather of the Manly Sea Eagles, has advised Geoff Toovey that after a decade in the club's coaching ranks the time is coming when he'll need to ask himself how long is too long in the job.

    Arthurson, now aged 85 and acknowledged as the man who engineered the Sea Eagles' rise to the top, said it hurt to admit he believed Toovey was still under pressure, despite last weekend's convincing win over Newcastle.

    "Pressure is still there because they're at the bottom of the ladder," Arthurson said. "I hasten to add, they've had a horrific run with injuries and there's not much he can do about that.

    "The only thing Geoff has to consider – and it is up to him, of course – is sometimes you can be too long in coaching at the one club. I coached Manly's first-grade team for five years and I voluntarily stood down because I found you do get a little bit too close to the players.

    "I would never do or say anything to upset Geoff Toovey because apart from the fact I'm a very good friend of his, there is no one for whom I have more respect. I think he'll know [what to do]. He's a clever bloke, not a mug – I think he'll understand sometimes you can be too long in a job.

    "The great Jack Gibson said to me a long time ago he didn't believe a coach should stay with a team for more than three or five years because you get close to players and you can't help that. It's an old but a very true saying that says familiarity breeds contempt.

    "So, [Toovey] has got to be looking at that and in my own instance as a coach I realised when it was time to go."

    Arthurson maintained he was a strong supporter and friend of Toovey, saying few players rivalled his passion and loyalty for the Sea Eagles.

    "He's Manly through and through," Arthurson said.

    However, Toovey, who joined the Manly coaching staff in 2004, has endured a tough start to 2015, which kicked off with a 42-12 loss to Parramatta, as he contended with the loss of club favourites Glenn Stewart and Anthony Watmough, and halfback Daly Cherry-Evans signing with the Gold Coast.

    Arthurson said there would be a number of clubs who would want Toovey's passion and insights, but said it was imperative the Sea Eagles administration ensured he remained at the club.

    "He'd be attractive to other clubs because he has a hell of a lot going for him," Arthurson said. "But I don't think he'd want to coach or do anything against Manly – he's far too loyal.

    "Having said that, if he did stand down because he felt he'd been there too long – and, as I say, it does happen to all of us – I think the club would find a role for him, he's part of the club and offers a lot.

    "He's one of the most respected players to have represented Manly, not only for his ability and the way he played, but for his loyalty to the place, it has been outstanding.

    "I'd be devastated if he wasn't with the club. I genuinely love the bloke and there is no one I have more respect for. His background, his ability is extraordinary and, as I say, if the club didn't use him in some capacity they'd be crazy."

    http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...stion-says-ken-arthurson-20150513-gh0ohu.html

    Very Interesting not sure how Toovey will take it.
     
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Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Mavin, May 13, 2015.

    1. MadMarcus

      MadMarcus Local Lunatic 2017 Tipping Competitor

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      Sounds to me like Des is coming back.
       
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      • EagleFromMay1967

        EagleFromMay1967 Sky Punching : send them High as the Clouds

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        Ask Craig Bellamy, Wayne Bennett how long is toooooo long with the 1 club. Its not about tenure, its all about winning.
         
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        • Mavin

          Mavin Well-Known Member

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          I don't want 2 read 2 much into it but it came across as a polite tap on the shoulder.
           
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          • Jerry1

            Jerry1 Well-Known Member

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            Sounds like a board position for tooves then.
             
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            • tookey

              tookey Well-Known Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

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              Softening the blow for when Toovey is replaced.
               
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              • SeaEagleRock8

                SeaEagleRock8 Sea Eagle Lach Staff Member Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

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                Full support of the board.
                 
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                • Eaglessss

                  Eaglessss Active Member

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                  No offence to Arko but I am a full supporter of Toovey. Manly are playing great the last few weeks. Give him a break and stop talking publicly about him I say!
                  Let him get on with keeping the boys focused. Don't listen to them Tooves. I have faith
                   
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                  • Eagles2nv

                    Eagles2nv Sea you in the finals 2017 Tipping Competitor

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                    Hmmm... First thought that came into my head.
                     
                  • brad

                    brad Well-Known Member

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                    Tooves is our man . You can see the last couple of wins they are playing as a tight group and that includes tooves.
                     
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                    • mjb136

                      mjb136 MWSE fanatic Premium Member

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                      Yowser.....that's done it then. Penns have used Arko to deliver the message. Tap on the shoulder for Tooves.
                       
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                      • Mavin

                        Mavin Well-Known Member

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                        More likely Bozo had a chat 2 Arko
                         
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                        • Top End Eagle

                          Top End Eagle Well-Known Member Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

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                          Des pite the positive tone of the article I think Toovey is des tined for another role. Des picable really, considering what he did when the club was left des olated and Des tabilised after the 2011 gf. Sorry I could go on all night but I am too tired. Please pick up the slack and take this post through to its final Des tination.
                           
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                          • Kue

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                            Simply put, if he respected Toovey a much as he says he does his opinion would of been passed on directly and not in agenda driven article when Toovey most needs support from his likes and when things are just starting to turn around. Toovey's bps coaching record speaks for itself and he deserves every chance to become a premiership winning player slash coach.
                             
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                            • NewwyEagle

                              NewwyEagle I sleep in a racing car

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                              What a giant load of **** that is.
                               
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                              • cherry_poppins

                                cherry_poppins Well-Known Member

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                                **** that old fossil

                                Toovey forever Arko never
                                 
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                                • Ranger

                                  Ranger Armchair Expert

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                                  Jayzus,

                                  We have just signed a representative forward and are coming off the back of two wins after a horrendous string of injuries, and yet people still want to turf him?

                                  F*ck them, go Tooves.
                                   
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                                  • MissKate

                                    MissKate Well-Known Member Premium Member

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                                    I am a bit confused, not long ago Arko was telling the club to stop airing their washing in public. Then he turns round and shafts Toovey in public and thinks that is ok
                                     
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                                    • conanu

                                      conanu Well-Known Member

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                                      Wow! that has a massive cryptic message to Tooves if Arko is talking like that, I would imagine Toovey's days are numbered. However they wont sack him I assume it will be an amicable changeover. But I maintain the only person that I would accept this behaviour for is a re-emergence of Des or Ivan Cleary. As much as it isn't fair it is unfortunately a results driven situation. If they move Tooves aside and bring in some muppet like Barrett or Brown I will spit chips. I have heard Kitey is talking to the club about a potential coaching position, but he is also talking to Penrith too.
                                       
                                    • Wyllie Eagle

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                                      Being the so-called Godfather, this is the equivalent of a horse's head in the bed! Also sounds to me that Arko's in cahoots now with the Penns, Zorba and possibly Bozo. I hoped Arko was above all this faction crap and only put the club's interests first. Appears not.
                                       

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