Are Newcastle the new NRL Charity case?

[maxta]

Well looks like it to me....apparently AFTER signing Pearce there still over 1.5 million to spend?
Without going through the roster of 2016, which was fair to say under the cap....they have had to upgrade Barnett, Fitzgibbon, Ross, Lamb and Levi - which they have openly come out and confessed.
On top of this have to pay WELL over's to secure players - between 20% to 50% is a fair (Estimate).....
They have secured Ese'ese who most clubs would have on their roster at decent money.
Moga also from Brisbane - same situation.
Griffin an up and comer from Melbourne who usually hold onto these players.
Heighnington and Lillyman who are old, but at least average NRL value.
Roosters SKD, Guerra, Watson & Pearce who would have been well overs....
Young Ponga - talented but a rookie at 1 million a season.
The kicker for me that shows just how ridiculous their overs are - Hodgkinson who is on $600,000 to play reserves there and lets face it - he should be a $300,000 player tops, in his battered, slow condition.
How they still manage to have an endless pit of money to spend after this spree is beyond me.

 

[MissKate]

Borrowed parra's accountant

 

[Top End Eagle]

No one was complaining when we had
Stewart
Williams/ Hopoate* nsw
Lyon (all internationals)
Robertson
DCE - made Australian squad that year
Foran (international)
Stewart watmough trex(internationals)
Kite (international)
Ballin (origin)
King (origin)

Gualavaou (international)
Buhrer (origin)
Rodney
And Rose.

 

[The Who]

Of those players there were only two who you could class as 'marquee' signings - Lyon and Kite. All the others were either Manly juniors or developed by Manly or journeymen seeking a new start.

 

[Jigzkiller]

No one was complaining when we had
Stewart
Williams/ Hopoate* nsw
Lyon (all internationals)
Robertson
DCE - made Australian squad that year
Foran (international)
Stewart watmough trex(internationals)
Kite (international)
Ballin (origin)
King (origin)

Gualavaou (international)
Buhrer (origin)
Rodney
And Rose.

Funny that isn't it.

 

[The Indian]

I'm not sure we should be looking at Newcastle roster with any envy and crying foul...3 lasts in a row....if they're lucky they may scrape the 8 this year or probably still won't.

It's just a decent roster now, no more no less.

 

[tookey]

They still won't win a premiership anytime soon especially with the dog rooter as half back

 

[Chip and Chase]

Well up until just recently the NRL owned the Knights. Like any good property owner looking to on sell they've given it the spruce up and fresh coat of paint to make it look all shiny and new. Just so happens that they as owners also happen to be the the building inspector / regulator so much easier to get that dodgy wiring and plumbing passed.

They are doing the same with the Titans, managing to rid themselves of a bad case of concrete cancer by moving on the Hayne Plane in dodgy circumstances.

NRL bottom line looks good by ridding themselves of a couple of liabilities and Toddy should be in the running for a bonus this Xmas. Move on, nothing to see.

 

[MissKate]

Not sure how the cap works if you under spend, can you roll the unused portion over into the next year. I am sure I read somewhere that drugcastle were risking being fined for underspending last year and next year if they didn't start buying players.

They were also paying that drongo half (that got busted for drugs) a massive salary, so they would have saved heaps losing him

I reckon they are cap compliant, parra on the other hand, well, I am lost for words on that fiasco of a salary (no) cap

 

[maxta]

No one was complaining when we had
Stewart
Williams/ Hopoate* nsw
Lyon (all internationals)
Robertson
DCE - made Australian squad that year
Foran (international)
Stewart watmough trex(internationals)
Kite (international)
Ballin (origin)
King (origin)

Gualavaou (international)
Buhrer (origin)
Rodney
And Rose.

Why would we complain - we won Premierships with a team not cheating the cap.

1) Because we paid what players were worth or many cases were prepared to play for less (Menzies) ect - Far
different to Wooden spooners where you have to pay MASSIVE overs and basically forced to move location, unlike changing
clubs
in Sydney.
2) If you do your homework - DCE was on a moderate contract at that point as was Ballin, Robertson, Hoppa
and Joe, Rodney and Rose were bargain basement buys.
3) As this squad evolved and their prices went up - the team was dismantled....in relation to what they were
worth, with some deserving upgrades- this created plenty of the in house fighting that created a temporary
downfall where Manly basically had to rebuild since 2012 and still in progress.

PS - If you used the example of the Manly 1970 - 1980's who signed players for
fun it would have made more sense - the difference was - there was NO salary cap back then.

 

[Peter C]

Not sure how the cap works if you under spend, can you roll the unused portion over into the next year. I am sure I read somewhere that drugcastle were risking being fined for underspending last year and next year if they didn't start buying players.

They were also paying that drongo half (that got busted for drugs) a massive salary, so they would have saved heaps losing him

I reckon they are cap compliant, parra on the other hand, well, I am lost for words on that fiasco of a salary (no) cap

You are basically compelled to spend around 85-90% of your cap for the year, and I think any amount that's left over does NOT roll over to the cap for the following year as a credit, however there is nothing to stop you from front loading some contracts, which will then give you a credit for the following year/s

 

[delz]

Yeah it makes me sick hearing people say "its great for the game" that Pearce signed and Newcastle were on the up and up ! Who bloody cares ! All I want is Manly to do well ! I am sick of the political correctness and blind favouritism that goes on in this game.. Just gives me the s%!*ts.

 

[Peter C]

Yeah it makes me sick hearing people say "its great for the game" that Pearce signed and Newcastle were on the up and up ! Who bloody cares ! All I want is Manly to do well ! I am sick of the political correctness and blind favouritism that goes on in this game.. Just gives me the s%!*ts.

Yeah, just like they were saying how good it was for the game that Drugcastle won the competition twenty years ago, the ARL/NRL has been bending over backwards accommodating Newcastle over the past thirty years.

 

[brad]

No one was complaining when we had
Stewart
Williams/ Hopoate* nsw
Lyon (all internationals)
Robertson
DCE - made Australian squad that year
Foran (international)
Stewart watmough trex(internationals)
Kite (international)
Ballin (origin)
King (origin)

Gualavaou (international)
Buhrer (origin)
Rodney
And Rose.

That bald head idiot wasn't running the show back then .

 

[Jigzkiller]

So funny how this works every clubs fans think the other teams are breaking the salary cap but the team we support would never do a thing like that. It reminds me of the Olympics every Chinese swimmer is a drug cheat but us Aussies hell no we would never cheat.

I don't know if they are cheating (none of us do) and I don't know if we were cheating when we had a great roster. Either way looks like whinging to bring it up now we lost out on dogboy. I bet this thread wouldn't even exist if we had signed dogboy but hey we missed out because drugcastle are cheating the cap and the nrl are against us.

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

What is with this outbreak of placing punctuation marks (full stops, commas, exclamation marks, etc.) about five marching paces behind the body of text?

OK, back to the conversation.

 

[EagleFlys]

Well looks like it to me....apparently AFTER signing Pearce there still over 1.5 million to spend?
Without going through the roster of 2016, which was fair to say under the cap....they have had to upgrade Barnett, Fitzgibbon, Ross, Lamb and Levi - which they have openly come out and confessed.
On top of this have to pay WELL over's to secure players - between 20% to 50% is a fair (Estimate).....
They have secured Ese'ese who most clubs would have on their roster at decent money.
Moga also from Brisbane - same situation.
Griffin an up and comer from Melbourne who usually hold onto these players.
Heighnington and Lillyman who are old, but at least average NRL value.
Roosters SKD, Guerra, Watson & Pearce who would have been well overs....
Young Ponga - talented but a rookie at 1 million a season.
The kicker for me that shows just how ridiculous their overs are - Hodgkinson who is on $600,000 to play reserves there and lets face it - he should be a $300,000 player tops, in his battered, slow condition.
How they still manage to have an endless pit of money to spend after this spree is beyond me.

Where are people getting Ponga @ 1 mil?
He was 600K.

SKD is damaged goods and 300k instead of 500 at most.
Guerra is Myles for the back row - 500k at most
Connor was quoted at 600k somewhere.

Ese was a 150 dog 2 broncos for not much more than 250, 350 now id say.

Dogboy @ 1 mil, and the old men @ journeyman prices to keep playing; say 350 each.

Adds up to - 4.0 ish of a 9.4 cap.

They have $'s, nothing to see here.

 

[Class of 96]

You are basically compelled to spend around 85-90% of your cap for the year

Just curious...why is that so and what purpose does it serve?

 

[Shoe1]

What is with this outbreak of placing punctuation marks (full stops, commas, exclamation marks, etc.) about five marching paces behind the body of text?

OK, back to the conversation.

If it’s about pre-emptively signaling good grammar ahead, I’m prepared to wait.

 

[maxta]

Where are people getting Ponga @ 1 mil?
He was 600K.

SKD is damaged goods and 300k instead of 500 at most.
Guerra is Myles for the back row - 500k at most
Connor was quoted at 600k somewhere.

Ese was a 150 dog 2 broncos for not much more than 250, 350 now id say.

Dogboy @ 1 mil, and the old men @ journeyman prices to keep playing; say 350 each.

Adds up to - 4.0 ish of a 9.4 cap.

They have $'s, nothing to see here.

Your busted out on the first point - last season had 1.5 million leftover......we are now 1 season later and you have 4 million on this scaled down summary and allowing for the jump in salary cap - they are already over....having also claimed to have upgraded a heap of promising juniors.....where are all these $$'s
At least use a calculator before posting.