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Top 3 players in 2013...

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by MK Eagle, Jan 28, 2013.

  1. MK Eagle

    MK Eagle Well-Known Member

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    For both Manly & then top 3 of the rest of the NRL & why....

    Manly

    1- B Stewart - Though will never get 100% over injuries think he will be 10% better off than last year, enough to dominate in 2013
    2 - DCE - More dominant pack will allow more time & add in Joeys influence can go to that next level.
    3 - Horo - Really think this guy is a great talent who has played in a poor team & carried injuries. Easy to throw Killer/Foz/Choc here but this is a team sport & the grunt & determination Horo brings will lift those around him imo giving him an unlikely spot. Time will tell.

    Rest of NRL

    1 - Luke Lewis - Change of scene at a far stronger Club could well make him an elite player instead of a great player in an ordinary team.
    2 - Cam Smith - Imo the most influential player in the NRL who will always compete at his best, grub = yes, great allround player = definately.
    3 - Inlis - Souths will test the top 4 again & this bloke is imo the most naturally gifted footballer in the world who looks fitter than ever spelling danger for all opponents.
     
  2. joeboy

    joeboy Well-Known Member

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    1. Snake. All the better for a relatively injury free 2012. So vital to our campaign, hoping for 18 plus tries and impeccable timing from the back.
    2. Choc. Would love to see choc running off forans hip on the left edge. We forget how dynamic he is with all the grunt work he has been doing the past 3 or 4 seasons.
    3. Foran. Hopefully primed for a big one, I'm expecting some more variation in his attacking kicks, and the vision and timing that comes with experiance. He has the competitiveness I would live o see an expanded repotoire this year, which under joey, I think is a given.
     
  3. Bearfax

    Bearfax Well-Known Member

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    Cam Smith just gets better with age
    Idress is a monster to have at fullback
    Lewis in his new colours should standout
    Jennings at SC may surprise

    And look out for Drinkwater to surprise at Saints as potential rookie of the year. Saints wont get to the semis but I think Drinkwater will make them competitive with the third Manly junior half star after Hodkinson, C-E
     
  4. Moondog

    Moondog Grey-beard loon Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Manly

    1-Jamie Lyon- He's our best player, perhaps the best player in the game.
    2-DCE- I think he suffered a bit from second year syndrome last year.
    3- Gift- If he's over his injuries this year I expect to see him showing his old form.

    The Rest

    1-Cameron Smith- Can't stand him but he can play.
    2-Cooper Cronk- Ditto
    3-Paul Gallen- Always gives 100%. Wish he played for us.
     
  5. Bearfax

    Bearfax Well-Known Member

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    Well if we're talking Manly players then I would suggest because of the Johns factor that

    Cherry-Evans
    Foran
    and the surprise

    Taufua

    to be the best at Manly.
     
  6. bones

    bones Bones Knows Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    The usual suspects. Jamie Lyon, Brett Stewart and Glenn Stewart.
     
  7. Technical Coach

    Technical Coach Well-Known Member

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    The days of expecting B. Stewart to score 18 or more tries a season are almost nearing its end for a variety of reasons. What you will see and has already been the case is that his defensive composure, positioning/reading will save more tries to address the balance.

    Hopefully he is used as a decoy more or builds up his ball playing skills to a classy composed assist level beyond his fantastic array of tip ons, the over-used no look face ball to wingers and the spectacular highlight reel flamboyance we know he is capable of on a frequent basis.

    To score 18 or more tries he is going to need to play over 20 games and require our attack to improve it's variety through the middle.(which will help his inside runs and hold the inner hip defenders giving him more room on the outside also with our standard edge plays) Defensive up and in structures read plays better than in his sharp explosive days of 04-08 on top of a closer competition standard all round.

    I will not put it past him to prove me wrong though but it's highly unlikely we will see those 18-22 tries a season again--- unless he bags a massive hall in one or two games.
     
  8. joeboy

    joeboy Well-Known Member

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    Fair points tech. Coach.I'd just love to see him have an injury free run, his backing up would jag him 6-8 tries a year alone.

    Do you think watmough should move back outside foz? How would and who would you play as. Our five back rowers?
     
  9. Sheikheagle

    Sheikheagle Well-Known Member

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    Had a beer with Josh's dad last night. Price has said that he will get a run in the charity shield. Hope it goes well for him.
     
  10. SeaEagleRock8

    SeaEagleRock8 Sea Eagle Lach Staff Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    So… you drank beer ... with Mr Drinkwater?
    Did you ask the origins of his surname, by any chance?
     
  11. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I'm looking forward to see how mick Gordon goes at sharks at full back with a decent pack in front of him. Needs an injury free season but could have a really dominant season. Wouldn't be surprised to see him get the 1 jumper for origin.
     
  12. Kiwi Eagle

    Kiwi Eagle Moderator Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I think they may look at Gordon in the centres and leave Gardner at FB possibly
     
  13. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I assumed he'd play fullback because he was very vocal about that being his preferred position. I guessed that would have been part of his deal when he signed. They do need centres though that"s for sure.
     
  14. Clint

    Clint . Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Nice thread MK. I haven't got a top 3 atm but I reckon K Foz is in for a bumper year.
     
  15. wombatgc

    wombatgc Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Hell yeah. He and Lewis are a hard-nut duo.
     
  16. BOZO

    BOZO Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Most inspirational KILLER
    most creative GIFT
    most dangerous and deadly is the SNAKE
     
  17. MK Eagle

    MK Eagle Well-Known Member

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    Picked him in my top 3 also TC & as you have touched on its his defensive ability as well as his presence these days, not just his attack which in the past has overshadowed these factors.
    Heres the thing though TC - he will still jag 15 + tries in 2013.
    Sure his exceptional pace is now down a notch effecting those freakish long range efforts, but have noticed his ability to score close range tries he would not have been able to in his earlier days. The ability & awareness of dummy half push overs or to carry 2-3 defenders over the line from close range due to extra strength & confidence helps almost level his tryscoring ability imo.
    At least we agree on 1 thing TC- hope he proves you wrong & cracks the 20 mark in 2013...
     
  18. globaleagle

    globaleagle Où est mon chapeau Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    king, kite, ballin.

    someone's gotta love the engine.
     
  19. MWSE

    MWSE Well-Known Member

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    Does B. Stewart turn into our version of Minichello by the time his contract finishes in 2016?
     
  20. Technical Coach

    Technical Coach Well-Known Member

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    Like i've stated before B Stewart has built up nicely with good upper body strength and improved lower body drive and does occasionally bust tackles or at least half win the tackle with his kick returns these days.In the attacking red zone he has improved his busting through momentum type efforts also.

    I'm not saying it's impossible but too many things have to fall in place to make it a likely outcome from

    1) Halves improving
    2) More attacking creativity and sharpness up the middle not an over reliance on setting up the edges.
    3) Brett plays 20 games minimum
    4)We are a top 2 team not a borderline 4th spot team
    5)Lots of dry fast decks and more day games

    and the list goes on and on, 15+ possible 18+ and it's time to watch the 2008 highlights DVD and brainwash ourselves it's actually 2013.

    Defences have improved big time from his sharp days, teams are learning from Manly,Melb, Dragons etc and your standard F/Back link plays are harder to pull off for simple overlap tries or wrong defensive reads.
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    Might be the case, paying for class, experience and composure which is at times sometimes over-valued and under-valued very fine line.(hate being a fence sitter though so i think in general it is over-valued)

    The last 2 seasons Manly have managed B.Stewarts playing time well i think he has played 20 games each season the last 2yrs so hopefully he can pull it off again. My prediction 20 games 13-15tries max 24 games 15-18max.
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    He can occasionally play outside Foz as a hole runner in the red zone but these days playing the edges is more about getting good mobile size one on one with a smaller outside defender or flat footed defender.(yes overlaps and quick hands still exist but tend to get cut off more than the past) If Manly can improve their sharpness and creativity in attack i would like to see Watmough improve the spark and penetration up the middle which will help our outside attacking options also.

    Our decoys and sleight of hand need to improve also to create a conducive hole running environment otherwise you can have all the hole runners in the world and not make good use of them.

    I want Watmough to continue and improve his direct hard step back in lines behind marker after a quick play the ball being more sharp and direct with our go forward which he has been improving in his game.

    One of the biggest highlights for me last year was actually Toovey being interviewed after a Brookie game i think it was Newcastle or Parramatta where we scored a heap of points in the first half. The reply was something along the lines of "It was not just about all the points we scored but how they were scored all over the park"---suggesting he was looking for more penetration and creativity up the middle and saw this as a weak point in Manly's overall attacking set up for years.

    We still have a long way to go but i sense Toovey is building and trying to improve on Dessies attacking structures and wanting more output, more options and less reliance on just setting up auto pilot edge plays.
     

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