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To much structure

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Turbo, Mar 18, 2016.

  1. Turbo

    Turbo Well-Known Member

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    Matt Elliot believes TB new structure in defence and attack is what is causing our problems. I think he is right you don't see DCE or walker running at gaps very much and Lyon and Matai are struggling with the new defensive structure, thoughts?
  2. SeaEagleRock8

    SeaEagleRock8 Sea Eagle Lach Staff Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    +6,798 / 122
    To much spelling practice.
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  3. mjb136

    mjb136 MWSE fanatic Premium Member

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  4. Budgewoi Eagle

    Budgewoi Eagle In for the long haul. Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Where's TC when you need him - just don't mention the antidepressants this Manly squad is forcing us to swallow by the handful!
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  5. HappilyManly

    HappilyManly MWTS Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    +11,498 / 254
    WIP, Baz will strip out the frills and get us back to defense first and foremost - then the Manly Magic appears :)
  6. The Who

    The Who Well-Known Member

    Mona Vale
    +4,840 / 103
    This was my gripe all last season; no flair; too much safety first football; no off-loads, no playing the man in front of them; no scrum moves. Why, even most of our kick offs go to exactly the same spot.
    The Tigers showed us up by moving the ball.
    We are breeding robotic players and have stifled those with guile and a spirit of adventure by tackle counts and the mantra: complete your sets.
    I had hoped that the Walker Brothers at Ipswich would have inspired other coaches to dare to be different. Alas, no. And TB has not brought anything new as yet.
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  7. maxta

    maxta Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    Toowoomba, Queensland
    +2,346 / 56
    Elliott has a point to a degree - especially with the speed of the modern game.
    He also has it very wrong.
    The fact is - you don't just build a new team & get them playing by their own design & just hope players pop up in the right places....it will be a case of poor completions & field position & getting pants pulled down ALL day running around like headless chooks & being burn't out after 40 minutes....
    The idea of structure is to have a basic game plan so that every player knows their responsibility & regardless of fatigue, injuries ect - have a plan to fall back on....this provides the confidence & cohesion to build on.
    The brilliance that Manly now has individually is up with the best, after a platform is built & this is where Elliott is right.
    Over time working out each others play - which comes from game time - the shackles can come off & unleash the inner footy ability to unlock these various defensive patterns which vary each week.
    The top teams come round 26 will be those teams that play the best unstructured footy, but with the backbone of a basic structure to fall back on.
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  8. Hgbcds

    Hgbcds Well-Known Member

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    Ipswich! Are you kidding? Biggest load of ****e I've ever seen . You must be a Sunday morning touch player
  9. NewwyEagle

    NewwyEagle I sleep in a racing car

    +1,178 / 60
    Yeah, cos the dogs and broncos aren't heavily structured. Matt Elliot is an idiot.
  10. double hoops

    double hoops Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I may be wrong. But I don't see a great deal of difference in our structures so far from last year to this. Sutle changes at best.
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  11. Frank

    Frank Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    What we are missing is a forward pack that bends the line and takes us forward.
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  12. Simonmyers11

    Simonmyers11 Well-Known Member

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    Agree. Our structure in D is atrocious
  13. Simonmyers11

    Simonmyers11 Well-Known Member

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    And outside backs with pace that can cover
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  14. Ryan

    Ryan Well-Known Member

    +6,115 / 287
    What we are seeing is a form of structured defense. Want a tip? It's complete crap.

    Don't worry about TC. He'd agree.
  15. The Who

    The Who Well-Known Member

    Mona Vale
    +4,840 / 103
    They won the Qld Cup then beat the NSW Cup champions by playing brilliant running RL. Then had 5-6 of their best players pinched by NRL clubs.
  16. maxta

    maxta Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

    Toowoomba, Queensland
    +2,346 / 56
    If we are referring to defensive structures it will change in a big way with Snakes communication from the back....& the space teams are finding wide is failure to dominate the tackle...especially in the forwards....energy, line speed, communication & confidence....it's not really a surprise Barrett has structures, all coaches at the highest level use them...& most take time to work effectively.
  17. Loaded dog

    Loaded dog Out on the full.

    +634 / 11
    About eight years ago, all of the critics used to RAVE about our "structured" SLIDING defence. No other team got us "three on two" then...

    I guess that it boils down to: there is GOOD structure and BAD structure. Who designs the type of structure that we employ?
  18. eaglebuzz

    eaglebuzz Well-Known Member

    +1,023 / 77
    We're always worse without Snake. Our win record without him is pretty average. Our defence and attack will both improve when he is back, hopefully this week!
  19. Technical Coach

    Technical Coach Well-Known Member

    +863 / 45
    No point having structure if you can't compete at the advantage line be it in defence or go forward.

    Too many bracing for a tackle moments and not initiating contact, not enough running with straight hard running intent from the forwards.

    All this talk in the past about speedy hookers who put the defensive line around the ruck in two minds to generate go forward all last year is not the be all and end all of creating go forward----it has some merit but you still need good simple powerful forwards to create a conducive environment for such a hooker to flourish.

    Now the above are overly simplistic observations to keep it simple but until we address the above, structure is pointless because we are not competing in the grind anyway.

    I'm the biggest fan of attacking structure where each player knows their role and allowing individual flair to flourish from structured plays or is secondary to structure to break the shackles when things are tight.

    The teams that win comps have power, controlled aggression and structure, a good attitude goes a long way in solving defensive issues along with winning the middle.

    The majority of the last GF winners over the past 5 years or so Cowboys,Souths,Roosters,Manly all incorporated the above along with Melbourne obviously having the structure but falling behind in the forwards as the years have gone by.

    Once we start competing up the middle and in the grind we can then move on to developing more open structured ballplaying in each set to generate softer go forward metres---for now we have to focus on intensity and intent in all areas just to get to the competing level.

    Top 8 requires a good mix of the above attributes, top 4 has enhanced structures and power with a touch of classy individual flair to separate them from the pack.

    Until we compete at the grind and up the middle we are wasting our time as the consistency in performance will not hold up. The odd flourish of wins to get the hopes up then back to earth again when you have no foundation or the right forward mix to generate confident repetitive consistency.
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  20. Frogz

    Frogz Don't mess with the goat, he has photos. Premium Member

    Sydney, Australia
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    Bozo and Zorba have turned this great club around....Its a results driven business.....fark off, Me personally thinks there is a lot of **** still inside, only difference to last year is its NOW not in the media.
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