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Preacher 'prepares' Costello

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  1. fLIP

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    THE leader of a Christian group that advocates the destruction of mosques, casinos and bottle shops has met Peter Costello to "prophetically prepare" the Treasurer for the prime ministership.

    Mr Costello and John Howard held private meetings with Catch the Fire leader Danny Nalliah in August, the same month the Prime Minister met with the leaders of the Exclusive Brethren, which prohibits voting and modern technology.

    Mr Nalliah said in a letter to Christians that the Lord had told him to spend "personal time" with Mr Howard and to prepare Mr Costello as the "future prime minister".

    He had a "one-to-one meeting with Peter Costello on Thursday, August 9 and John Howard on Friday, August 10".

    A spokesman for Kevin Rudd said he was concerned about the "closeness of the Exclusive Brethren and Catch the Fire groups to Howard government ministers".

    Mr Howard would not comment and Mr Nalliah did not return calls.

    A spokesman for Mr Costello confirmed he had met Mr Nalliah many times.

    "The Treasurer has met with Danny Nalliah on a number of occasions and has publicly supported his successful appeal against prosecution under Victoria's religious vilification laws."

    In a second letter justifying his support for the Coalition to fellow Christians, Mr Nalliah said he was well justified in attacking Labor because they supported homosexuality and abortion.

    "I have attached a letter from Mr Rudd to one of his constituencies, where he declares Labor's full support for homosexuality, including the amending of current laws if elected, to support homosexuals," he says.

    The Catch The Fire ministries sparked a row with the Islamic Council of Victoria in 2002 when it claimed in a newsletter that Muslims were demons training to make Australia an Islamic state, that the Koran promoted violence and that Muslims derived money from drug dealing.

    The Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal found Mr Nalliah and colleague Daniel Scot had vilified Islam under the state's 2002 Racial and Religious Tolerance Act.

    However, the Victorian Court of Appeal quashed the order, ruling the VCAT had not used the proper legal test for incitement and so sent it back for a review, where the dispute was mediated.

    Mr Costello wrote a letter of support to Mr Nalliah during his legal battle.

    The Howard Government has been under fire for meeting with extreme right-wing groups after it was revealed the Prime Minister met Bruce Hales, the elect vessel or leader of the Exclusive Brethren, and other leading members of the reclusive sect in August.

    Australian Federal Police are investigating expenditure before the 2004 election of $370,000 on pro-Liberal and anti-Greens advertising by Willmac Enterprises, a company linked to the Brethren.

    Sect members are prohibited from voting, attending university and having televisions, radios, computers or mobile phones. Contact with family members who leave the church is also banned.

    The Opposition Leader has labelled the Brethren an extremist cult and called on Mr Howard to reveal what was discussed in his meeting with its senior members.
     
  2. Dan

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    extremely concerning!
     
  3. Guest

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    Totally against the banning of bottle shops. Banning casinos and mosques I can live with but not bottle shops.
     
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    Catch the Fire are the blokes who were found guilty of inciting racial hatred in the landmark Victorian courtcase on anti-vilification.
     
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    The article is full of crap. Rudd certainly has not written to his constituents about freeing up laws for homosexuals and abortion. This is a beat up = though the panderiing of Howard and his enemy Pete to the extreme nutters of the religious right is worrying.
     
  6. fLIP

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    I agree with the anti-abortion laws but I just can't scope the Homosexual marriage laws.

    Where do we get off telling people what too do when it just doesn't hurt anybody. Its not like they have a choice, they can't just flick the switch and fix it.
     
  7. Dan

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    Why agree with anti-abortion?

    Abortion is something we need, there are a lot of people who should have been aborted!
     
  8. fLIP

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    Maybe your right, how about selective abortion?
     
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    retrospective abortion would be good
     
  10. Matabele

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    We know they need this whilst in utero do we?
     
  11. Dan

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    Some people shouldnt have children either!

    If someone wants to abort a child, do you really think we are doing either the child or the person justice for forcing them to have the child and either keep it or put it up for adoption?

    generally at the development stage at which you can abort you arent talking about a thinking reasoning human, it isnt even like putting down and animal, you are talking about a group of multiplying cells in most cases.

    In late term abortions there are generally reasons, if the child is likely to be born severely disabled and live for only a short term, if the pregnancy is likely to kill both the child and mother or one or the other.

    There are many reasons. In all cases the parents should have the right to chose.

    The government is a representative of the people, they represent us not control us. Representing us does not mean taking away our choices and decisions.

    Even if you say the "child" has a right to choose also, thats fine sure it does, but you arent talking about a child you are talking about a possible child, that wont be able to properly reason and communicate for more than two years after the abortion point.
     
  12. fLIP

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    Ok, im not sure you are just joking anymore.
     
  13. Matabele

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    Of all the hundreds of thousands of abortions conducted in this country over the past few decades, we'd probably have had enough doctors, dentists etc so that we wouldn't have to import the like of Dr Death from the Third World.
     
  14. Dan

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    pure speculation, I dare say the uni places would have been the same and likely the abortions came from lower socio-economic backgrounds, we would be int he same boat, only having a greater strain on resources.

    Its a nice fluffy theory but it holds no water matas
     
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    Thats a huge stereotype Dan. To say a person cannot break the shackles of the family image they're born in to.
     
  16. Matabele

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    Do any of Dan's 10bob pom forebears have Uni degrees?
     
  17. Dan

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    Its a fact of life really fLIP. If you dont have the resources to have a child and feel abortion is the only option you are hardly going to have the ability to provide every opportunity for them.

    Going down your line, then victims of Rape are going to have to have those children. How wonderful that would be for both mother and child.

    I come from an affluent background Matas, therefore I am hardly a good example, I don't have university education either but much of my family do.

    There are very few examples of people coming from poor, broken and abusive homes who have managed to get themselves through the many many many many years of schooling to become a doctor.

    Fact is when you are at the bottom of the heap and have no money, feeding and housing become your main priority which means making money becomes your priority, which means doing it anyway and as quickly as you can becomes your priority.

    We live in a society set up to keep you down despite the fairytale. I am sure you want to believe otherwise for your children's sake, but reality has to eventually come into it!
     
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    Not saying you're wrong overall Dan (in fact, this is the first thread in a long time where I may actually agree with you to some extent), but can I just point out:

    You don't need to be university educated to be considered successful, either.

    Maybe I have a different perspective: my dad was raised in a terrible environment to the point where the day he turned 14 and 9 months, he left. That is to say, he didn't even have at his disposal what little his family had. By the time I was in primary school (so maybe 15 years later) he was the general manager of the biggest private chain of butcher shops in Newcastle. That might not sound like much, but when you are managing hundreds of staff and probably close to millions of dollars, you can consider yourself fairly successful. And to this day, I will ask him for business advice first over anyone else, and he still doesn't have his School Certificate, let alone his HSC or even a uni degree :)

    Like I say, I'm not saying you're wrong overall, but you seem to be leaning towards "education means success" and in the real world, this is not really the case. In fact a lot of the 'rich people' are not 'educated' as such...
     
  19. Matabele

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    My Bachelor degree is proof that I spent three years snorkeling the pristine beaches of Magnetic Island.

    I'm amused that Dan brings up the worst case scenario (rape/abuse) to justify his stance on abortion.

    I'm personally not heated up about the issue - it would be very interesting to know if there are statistics on the demographic of women who avail themselves of the service. I suspect you'll find a lot of white collar professionals who see it as an expensive form of contraception.
     
  20. Dan

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    In regards to the last point, I wasnt talking about succesful I was speaking in direct reply to Matabele saying somehting along the lines of, the abortions have robbed us of Doctors and lawyers which had they not been aborted we would have had no need to import Doctors like Dr Death.

    So sure you dont need a uni degree to be successful, I am successful but dont have one. But you sure as hell need one to be a Doctor or a Lawyer.

    Dan
     

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