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Optimistic for 2016 but looking forward to 2017

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by TagMonster, Apr 21, 2016.

  1. TagMonster

    TagMonster Well-Known Member

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    Hi guys, now let me start off by saying I'm not writing off 2016 just yet. Whilst I don't believe we have the team this year to win a GF (happy to be proven wrong), we definitely have the talent to give it a shake and at the very least upset a few teams along the way.

    With that said, I've looked ahead at the 2017 season and Manly have the potential to trot out a very scary team that could do a lot of damage. Looking at who we have off contract and who we could bring in I'd suggest a Top 25 of this would be very good

    1. B. Stewart
    2. T. Trbojevic
    3. D. Walker
    4. S. Matai
    5. M. Koroibete or J. Mansour (will be a stretch for the money)
    6. D. Cherry-Evans
    7. A. Koroisau
    8. J. Tamou (with Killer likely to hang up the boots, we could afford him)
    9. M. Parcell
    10. N. Myles
    11. B. Lawrence
    12. M. Tapau
    13. J. Trbojevic
    14. D. Lussick
    15. S. Vave
    16. A. Founa-Blake
    17. L. Knight
    18. J. Buhrer
    19. L. Brown
    20. F. Mateo
    21. D. Cox
    22. J. Starling
    23. H. Pratt
    24. F. Goodall
    25. H. Lavaka

    Obviously there will be others in the side outside the top 25 that may get a run dependant on form / injury. I'd let go players like Taufua, Burgess, Hodges, Leary, Symonds & Williame as they are either bad (Burgess) or a borderline players that will be moved on for youth (i.e. Knight, Cox, Pratt).

    Sadly, I think Lyon will either jump or be pushed at the end of the season. It does leave a huge hole in terms of leadership and goal kicking, but would likely move Walker to centre where he is more comfortable. Using his money and others, I'd like to see the club go after a specialist winger like Koroibete or Mansour if possible. Finally, the addition of another big prop like Tamou, Klemmer or even Moa would improve the go forward.

    Looking forward to 2018 would see Snake and Skivvy hang up the cleats (I'd suggest they may flee to the UK for a season with Gift) would see Tom move to Fullback and open up a wing and centre spot for someone like Dean Whare and Daniel Tupou / Jason Nightingale.

    Just my opinion (while I'm eating lunch). The big concern I have with Killer retiring in the future is who takes over the goal kicking? Wasn't Cherry meant to be practicing this offseason? Any idea if he is an option? Otherwise, I've noticed that Tom takes the kickoffs. How does he go for conversions? Could be an interesting dilemma.

    Either way, I still think this season we are in good shape despite some not so good results. We will come good as the season progresses. I just think we are an impact player or two short this year. Over the next year or two that will likely change.
     
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  2. Freagle

    Freagle Well-Known Member

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    I'd be guessing at Jorge Taufua to the centres for Matai. Not quite a like-for-like swap, but he is a big unit who has sometimes shown glimpses of great ball handling (and some shockers as well, yes...). Also less exposed to high kicks if he isn't on the wing.
    Rather than Tamou (and I wouldn't complain at his signing mind you) I think a really good, creative second-rower is a priority. Thinking Gillett, Guerra, Boyd Cordner type of player. We are good for props now - three absolute guns all at the age of 20, with some good hard-heads thrown into the mix. Back row and one more back, like maybe I dunno...Peta Hiku? Or failing that, Chee Kam...or failing that, Whare.
     
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  3. Andrew..

    Andrew.. Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I'd like to see t-red stay on for back up. Also wondering if the club will be keen to pay Mateo mid range player payments if he's not going to be considered as part of the top 17.
     
  4. Disco

    Disco Well-Known Member

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    Not really keen to talk 2017 and its pointless as rosters and contracts change like the wind theses days (we all had Hiku and Gutherson in our squads for this season)

    But

    In the situation outlined above, why oh why would you have DCE at 5/8 and Api at Half

    DCE being an organizer with ball playing skills and Api being a running half

    Bonkers
     
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  5. Ralphie

    Ralphie Well-Known Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Your optimism borders on denial. :*
     
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  6. Woodsie

    Woodsie played strong, done good.

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    your pessimism borders on pathological. (smiley face thingee)
     
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  7. nightster

    nightster grumpy old bastard

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    Don't forget a young bloke by the name of Tom Wright oh and also a very promising 2nd rower Johnny Walker ...
     
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  8. Woodsie

    Woodsie played strong, done good.

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    Good Lord we are down to the W's already.

    GO WILLYARMY!
     
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  9. brad

    brad Well-Known Member

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    Dce will be at 7 not 6 . Honestly i think we have a better chance of winning the comp in 16 then 17 . Reason being when killer calls it quits it is going to leave a MASSIVE HOLE . Not just for his ability but for his calming influence on this side . I hope im wrong but i dont think so . Its going to be up there with trying to replace cliffy , in my opinion. So lets get behind these buggars and get them home .17 well lets worry about that when the time comes .
     
  10. Mark from Brisbane

    Mark from Brisbane Living the dream Premium Member

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    Watch out boys I was crucified a few weeks ago for suggesting that this was year 1 of a 5 year rebuild , with us unlikely to feature in the finals in 2016, and perhaps only just in 2017.

    Don't forget we have to win EVERY year !!
     
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  11. Freagle

    Freagle Well-Known Member

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    I keep seeing people talking about Johnny Walker lately...anyone have some insights that they could share? I know he's a backrower, but haven't seen him play. Is he still U20s?
     
  12. TagMonster

    TagMonster Well-Known Member

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    Because we have DCE as the main (sole?) playmaker opposition defences are rushing him every tackle. He has no time to do anything. Thurston plays off and as a second receiver and it gives him slightly more room, but more importantly more time, to evaluate and attack the defensive structure. Being at first receiver will also allow Api to quickly read the defence and attack if the markers are lazy etc. This will all compound to give Cherry more space which will flow on to the rest of the backs.

    It works well for the Cows. Besides, the difference between who wears the 6 and 7 these days is minimal. I'm simply suggesting DCE plays deeper and either Api or a backrower fees him the ball first.
     
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  13. TerryRandall

    TerryRandall Well-Known Member

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    Mark, the side we have on paper this year can, and I think still will be, premiership contenders, which was obviously Bozos intention when he put it together. Pretty sure he would not have been thinking 5 year rebuilds, which quite frankly, is unmanly like. The unique manly culture is built on the demand and desire for success. Coming second is failure, so why should we contemplate 5 years of failure? We never have and we never will. That's why we are manly and that's why everyone hates us. Let the eels, panthers and raiders of this world talk of their 5 year rebuilds, it's not for us.
     
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  14. The Who

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    Aren't the 'Riff into the sixth year of their five year rebuild?
     
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  15. TagMonster

    TagMonster Well-Known Member

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    Whilst I don't agree the intent is a 5 year rebuild, I suspect we may be in a 2-3 year rebuild for post Snake/Killer/Skivvy.
     
  16. TerryRandall

    TerryRandall Well-Known Member

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    When champions retire you free up cash for new champions whilst cultivating the new crop of youngsters.
     
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  17. TagMonster

    TagMonster Well-Known Member

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    The Turbo Brothers for example.
     
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  18. Mark from Brisbane

    Mark from Brisbane Living the dream Premium Member

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    My " 5 year plan" thoughts come purely from being good mates with Noel Cleal and we have discussed many many times how long it takes to build for a Premiership shot.

    When we signed Jamie he told me it would be 5 years before we played in a GF, he was out by 1 year ( 2007).

    I was sitting in a very sombre dressing room after the 07 loss and we chatted again and he said " don't worry 2008 was our aim and this loss almost guarantees we will be there".

    Of course the great Bozo might have a different idea, but I'm still sticking to my guns, I dont think we will make the 8 in 2016, but we definitely will in 2017.

    And a GF somewhere from 2018-2020
     
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  19. TerryRandall

    TerryRandall Well-Known Member

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    I had a coffee with arko yesterday and he said 5 year plans are bull****.
     
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  20. Technical Coach

    Technical Coach Well-Known Member

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    It's more a 3yr rebuild with years 4 and 5 being GF targets. Year 3 might offer a small opportunity also off the back of teams falling back and the power game differential not as great.

    The current owners i think will want a decent ramp up in performance back end of yr2 and 3.
     

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