Michael Maguire update

[BOZO]

of cause he was, he knows now that everybody know's for sure that he can't coach.....IMPOSTER..!!View attachment 9088

He is not an imposter or a bad person . From all reports, players, coaching staff and officials he has proven to be good bloke .
Unfortunately there is no sentiment in the hard line professional sport and it is all about results and he has proven to be an ordinary coach . Look at our position on the ladder . Look at the way our team has been playing . The proof as they say is in the pudding.
He has brought himself, our players and our supporters all to tears .
I have heard of blood sweat and tears but the Manly tears are just tears of despair and helplessness

 

[Stevo]

Maybe go all out for a left field replacement > Kevvie Walters with Cliffy & Menzies as assistants!

I've said this before and i'll say it again. I don't think TBaz is a bad coach. I just don't think he is the coach capable of getting us back up the ladder. He needed to be promoted from assistant in his first coaching gig. He should have stayed at the Panthers. I don't think he is capable of attracting players and i don't think he is capable of building the club from the ground up with his own systems.

Kev could attract the players and build the place and so could Madge.

 

[maxta]

Maguire is a solid coach who can make a good forward pack - great....
That is a platform to far more improved results off the bat.
Barrett is a decent knowledge of modern footy, but not the coach that players will run through brick walls for....the best coaches imo, have the players feeling they have let that they have let that coach down and can hardly make eye contact after under performing....these coaches with the ability to have players give 100% regardless of their ability, are the best.

 

[Tragic Eagle]

Ivan Cleary is our Man!

 

[MuzztheEagle]

Ivan Cleary is our Man!

I might cop some hate for this but, Cleary's past results show that he is most likely not the man.
I hate to sound like @BOZO but we really need someone who understands what a winning culture looks like (or someone with nothing to lose who can dictate to management and the playing group how things should be - ain't going to happen). 10 years of mediocre coaching probably won't make you a better coach it will just make you more likely to accept mediocrity. Personally I would much prefer us to start looking for those involved in successful and innovative clubs (*note Trent was at a mediocre club before coming to us) rather than existing coaches who are simply after another gig. O'Brien has been flagged as Bellamy's successor but there must be others out there. The other issue is the influence over the coaching and playing group by owner/management, we really need someone who can tell the management side off the business to look after the books (properly) and stay the f away from anything team related - sadly I can't picture this happening.

 

[40 years an eagle]

So Madge is going to renege on his NZRL job to coach us?

Highly unlikely at best.

 

[Sheikheagle]

So Madge is going to renege on his NZRL job to coach us?

Highly unlikely at best.

I am pretty sure i read somewhere that he has a get out clause should he land another NRL gig.

 

[40 years an eagle]

I am pretty sure i read somewhere that he has a get out clause should he land another NRL gig.

That's very surprising considering applicants were told they would be excluded from the position if they held NRL coaching aspirations. Toovey and Hasler were 2 that were excluded.

 

[Stevo]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/leagu...chael-Maguire-not-to-leave-Kiwis-in-the-lurch

Free to coach as long as it doesn't affect him coaching NZ

 

[40 years an eagle]

Should be able to squeeze in an under 7's gig then.

 

[Stevo]

Unless its a world cup year i can't see it taking up too much of your time

 

[The Who]

Maguire is a solid coach who can make a good forward pack - great....
That is a platform to far more improved results off the bat.
Barrett is a decent knowledge of modern footy, but not the coach that players will run through brick walls for....the best coaches imo, have the players feeling they have let that they have let that coach down and can hardly make eye contact after under performing....these coaches with the ability to have players give 100% regardless of their ability, are the best.

Tommy Raudonikis? Imagine the Hill all chanting "Cattledog! Cattledog!"
Now that would be worth getting along to Brookie for.

 

[KNUCKLES]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/leagu...chael-Maguire-not-to-leave-Kiwis-in-the-lurch

Free to coach as long as it doesn't affect him coaching NZ

Could probably help us recruit some nz test players if he came over

 

[Stevo]

Yeah i feel like NZ test players would warm to him and be keen to follow him

 

[brad]

Barrett's problems started because when things go well he takes the boys out for a beer.

When in reality things should be going great because you're paid half a mil a year.

Can't be a best mate and a coach I reckon.

Thats it mate , there's no friends in business.

 

[Woodsie]

... are we talking about the bloke Souff's sacked and no Souff's player has a good thing to say about .....

 

[BOZO]

I might cop some hate for this but, Cleary's past results show that he is most likely not the man.
I hate to sound like @BOZO but we really need someone who understands what a winning culture looks like (or someone with nothing to lose who can dictate to management and the playing group how things should be - ain't going to happen). 10 years of mediocre coaching probably won't make you a better coach it will just make you more likely to accept mediocrity. Personally I would much prefer us to start looking for those involved in successful and innovative clubs (*note Trent was at a mediocre club before coming to us) rather than existing coaches who are simply after another gig. O'Brien has been flagged as Bellamy's successor but there must be others out there. The other issue is the influence over the coaching and playing group by owner/management, we really need someone who can tell the management side off the business to look after the books (properly) and stay the f away from anything team related - sadly I can't picture this happening.

A lot of Magnificent points made by MuzztheEagle .

 

[Bearfax]

I might cop some hate for this but, Cleary's past results show that he is most likely not the man.
I hate to sound like @BOZO but we really need someone who understands what a winning culture looks like (or someone with nothing to lose who can dictate to management and the playing group how things should be - ain't going to happen). 10 years of mediocre coaching probably won't make you a better coach it will just make you more likely to accept mediocrity. Personally I would much prefer us to start looking for those involved in successful and innovative clubs (*note Trent was at a mediocre club before coming to us) rather than existing coaches who are simply after another gig. O'Brien has been flagged as Bellamy's successor but there must be others out there. The other issue is the influence over the coaching and playing group by owner/management, we really need someone who can tell the management side off the business to look after the books (properly) and stay the f away from anything team related - sadly I can't picture this happening.

Sorry but have to disagree. Cleary's first taste of coaching saw him win the reserve grade title at Sydney City 2004. He then took over a dysfunctional Auckland side in mid 2005 and got them to 11th. In '06 they were 10th. In '07 they were 4th. '08 they were 8th, '09 fell to 15th but in '10 they were 5th and in '11 they played Manly in the Grand final. He then took over near the end of the season in '12 Penrith . They finished 15th that year 10th in '13, 4th in '14 (Cleary was named coach of the year), slipped to 11th in '15 but 6th in '16. So he's taken two teams on the slide into the finals 6 out of 11 occasions. At Wests, his team this year with the loss of top personnel were expected to be competing for the spoon. They are 9th. Cleary hasnt had the personnel of Bennett, Madge, Bellamy or Robinson, or for that matter Hasler when he was at Manly. He's taken on the hard cases and has made each team seriously competitive. Imagine with some serious talent what he could do. He's a good coach Muzz, and he's a Manly junior.

 

[MuzztheEagle]

Sorry but have to disagree. Cleary's first taste of coaching saw him win the reserve grade title at Sydney City 2004. He then took over a dysfunctional Auckland side in mid 2005 and got them to 11th. In '06 they were 10th. In '07 they were 4th. '08 they were 8th, '09 fell to 15th but in '10 they were 5th and in '11 they played Manly in the Grand final. He then took over near the end of the season in '12 Penrith . They finished 15th that year 10th in '13, 4th in '14 (Cleary was named coach of the year), slipped to 11th in '15 but 6th in '16. So he's taken two teams on the slide into the finals 6 out of 11 occasions. At Wests, his team this year with the loss of top personnel were expected to be competing for the spoon. They are 9th. Cleary hasnt had the personnel of Bennett, Madge, Bellamy or Robinson, or for that matter Hasler when he was at Manly. He's taken on the hard cases and has made each team seriously competitive. Imagine with some serious talent what he could do. He's a good coach Muzz, and he's a Manly junior.

Not saying he is a bad coach, I think he would be a huge improvement on Barrett. I just can't see him being the messiah many on here believe he could be. He has been successful in taking basket cases and making them acceptable again, in that sense he would be a great sight to see at Manly right now. But a premiership or another golden age? I'm not convinced. My main point is this: If he, or whoever we do replace Barrett with, comes to Manly to do what they have done everywhere else as just another coaching gig then we will improve, but most likely not return to our past dominance. If he or another comes to the club determined to restore the Manly of old or to prove themselves and is willing to take their commitment all the way with the current owners then we have a chance, but, right now, I can't see this in Cleary.

 

[Fluffy]

Sorry but have to disagree. Cleary's first taste of coaching saw him win the reserve grade title at Sydney City 2004. He then took over a dysfunctional Auckland side in mid 2005 and got them to 11th. In '06 they were 10th. In '07 they were 4th. '08 they were 8th, '09 fell to 15th but in '10 they were 5th and in '11 they played Manly in the Grand final. He then took over near the end of the season in '12 Penrith . They finished 15th that year 10th in '13, 4th in '14 (Cleary was named coach of the year), slipped to 11th in '15 but 6th in '16. So he's taken two teams on the slide into the finals 6 out of 11 occasions. At Wests, his team this year with the loss of top personnel were expected to be competing for the spoon. They are 9th. Cleary hasnt had the personnel of Bennett, Madge, Bellamy or Robinson, or for that matter Hasler when he was at Manly. He's taken on the hard cases and has made each team seriously competitive. Imagine with some serious talent what he could do. He's a good coach Muzz, and he's a Manly junior.

Those first years read a lot like Barrett but managing 1 extra year at 8th before the slide