Matt Lodge... Signed.

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Just a couple of things....
Lodge has made massive mistakes and due to his profile, media has squeezed the lemon dry, which is fine and their job to sell papers.....but I do reckon most of us with a camera in our face at that "wrong moment", we could all be judged fairly strongly in a bad way.
Never would I condone his actions, but the efforts following this "incident" have demonstrated a bloke fighting to turn it around.
I'll be honest about his ability, not as excited as many on here, but he is a big body who rips and tears and this is an area we have lacked badly and his aggression I can only see as a plus.
Can't see anything but a positive signing in relation to "train and trial" and hope he can earn a spot in the 17 and prove to the Manly supporters he is here to give his all and make us a stronger team.
 
Just a couple of things....
Lodge has made massive mistakes and due to his profile, media has squeezed the lemon dry, which is fine and their job to sell papers.....but I do reckon most of us with a camera in our face at that "wrong moment", we could all be judged fairly strongly in a bad way.
Never would I condone his actions, but the efforts following this "incident" have demonstrated a bloke fighting to turn it around.
I'll be honest about his ability, not as excited as many on here, but he is a big body who rips and tears and this is an area we have lacked badly and his aggression I can only see as a plus.
Can't see anything but a positive signing in relation to "train and trial" and hope he can earn a spot in the 17 and prove to the Manly supporters he is here to give his all and make us a stronger team.

You're dreaming ...
 
Never would I condone his actions, but the efforts following this "incident" have demonstrated a bloke fighting to turn it around.

What efforts of his have demonstrated a bloke fighting to turn it around ?? ... all reports I have read state that his victims had to embarrass and pressure the NRL to get involved to make him pay his compensation.

Can't see anything but a positive signing in relation to "train and trial" and hope he can earn a spot in the 17 and prove to the Manly supporters he is here to give his all and make us a stronger team.

On what basis do you believe he has the character or ability to make us a better team ... his past 4 clubs would disagree ...

.but I do reckon most of us with a camera in our face at that "wrong moment", we could all be judged fairly strongly in a bad way.

His actions in the US go well beyond a "wrong moment" ... plus the previous allegations of stalking and intimidation here in Australia.

We have just had a very publicised, promoted and ongoing program to build the team culture and togetherness .. Kumbaya ...

Now do we really think this bloke Lodge is suddenly going to become a great team mate and clubman ??

Dreaming if we do.
 
I guess our desire for the team to do well can cloud our judgement. In saying this everyone deserves an opportunity for redemption.
What blows me away about this guy is that he actually also threatened a child. From memory a 9 year old boy. This kind of action despite your worst moments one can experience in life is somewhat defining for me. Under what state of mind would you threaten a child?
In saying this he has paid he dues within the law and is entitled to get on with his life. But exercising my own biases this is a person I could not support or cheer for even when playing in the mighty maroon and white jersey.
 
The guy is a grub. But I wouldn't be signing him on his football which is average. People say he is the tough guy we need I can't name one thing I have seen him do on the football field that screams tough or a leader.

Trial and train so normally wouldn't care but I believe we have a deal none for the next couple of seasons.
 
What efforts of his have demonstrated a bloke fighting to turn it around ?? ... all reports I have read state that his victims had to embarrass and pressure the NRL to get involved to make him pay his compensation.



On what basis do you believe he has the character or ability to make us a better team ... his past 4 clubs would disagree ...



His actions in the US go well beyond a "wrong moment" ... plus the previous allegations of stalking and intimidation here in Australia.

We have just had a very publicised, promoted and ongoing program to build the team culture and togetherness .. Kumbaya ...

Now do we really think this bloke Lodge is suddenly going to become a great team mate and clubman ??

Dreaming if we do.
I get a lot of what ya sayin but....here me out ....

Where do I start Woodsie ....I'll do my darndest mate in order @:smirk:
The turnaround - and this is my opinion right or wrong ....Since the horrible incident, seems to be not creating too many headlines and playing footy - some good - some ordinary imo.

My opinion regarding his character is scratchy, as like yourself, I don't know the bloke.
But he is a hardhead who will add toughness and I know we lack in this area.
Make us a better team ? Hopefully ?....as above - rugged approach hopefully inspires his mates to, but as I also stated he needs to show more in footy ability then what Iv'e seen, as not been as impressed as many others on here....though had a great start at Roosters, but that form dropped noticeably by the time sent to NSW Cup.

The US scene was horrific - refuse to defend it....but know many good ppl who have been caught up in bad situations and not I'm holding a lifelong sentence on it.

The talk of building a better cleanskin type footy team....I really reckon if we had the media frenzy on "bad off field behaviour" that was caught in the media, would be lucky to field 1 NRL team.
Just maybe the Jake, DCE type influence will also help keep him in check a bit ?

The great mate - clubman stuff....again not sure as have never met him, but I do reckon will add a bit of toughness to the pack and just hopefully his worst moments are behind him and he rips in and has a real go for Manly.

My final say Woodsie, I really hope he wins you over on the footy field with some tough, robust displays, personally I wish we could bring in Kevin Ward to show this pack how good old fashion footy was played, but this is a cheap option that just may pay dividends.
 
What efforts of his have demonstrated a bloke fighting to turn it around ?? ... all reports I have read state that his victims had to embarrass and pressure the NRL to get involved to make him pay his compensation.



On what basis do you believe he has the character or ability to make us a better team ... his past 4 clubs would disagree ...



His actions in the US go well beyond a "wrong moment" ... plus the previous allegations of stalking and intimidation here in Australia.

We have just had a very publicised, promoted and ongoing program to build the team culture and togetherness .. Kumbaya ...

Now do we really think this bloke Lodge is suddenly going to become a great team mate and clubman ??

Dreaming if we do.
All excellent points. Unfortunately, the way this club has been run the last ten years has caused us fans to grab hold of anything new, raise it above our heads and declare this is the change we desperately need. I fear it might be as such until our owners finally fall on their swords.
 
me. Under what state of mind would you threaten a child?
In saying this he has paid he dues within the law and is entitled to get on with his life
But for what it's worth he 'paid his dues' under the US system in which an accused can cut a deal with prosecutors and if you have a lot of money to offer compensation to victims you can (so it seems) escape jail time.
If that same offence had occurred in NSW (where you can't buy off victims with offers of money or do deals with prosecutors) he would have been sentenced for an aggravated break and enter and served several years jail time.
 
Just doing some beercoaster maths…

He bought the house in Bayview last year reportedly for $2.5m


He signed a one year contract at Brisbane for 2018 for $85k.

He then signed a 5 year deal for $4m ($800k per season).

He was at Brisbane for 2019, 2020 & half of 2021 before moving to the Warriors, with Brisbane paying full freight for the rest of 2021 - 2023.

The Warriors let him go mid-2022.

The Roosters picked him up for the rest of 2022 - I recall a figure of $100k being mentioned by the NRL but if Brisbane were still footing the bill, surely he didn’t cost the Roosters anything?

He was apparently sued for USD $2m by his victims in NY & apparently the NRL set up some sort of payment plan to ensure he paid them.

So $85k minus tax in 2018 = ~$66k.

$4m minus tax for 2019-2023 averages about $470k per year so he came away with $2.35k.

$2.35m plus $66k = $2.416m.

USD $2m is approximately AUD $3m.

So there’s no way he’s paid off his victims in full yet (obviously a payment plan would have been agreed to by all parties) as the amount is more than he’s earned in the past 8 years, given 2 of those years were without an NRL contract.

Unless he had made some astute investments back before it happened that he’s been able to capitalise on since.

So it’s safe to assume he’ll be looking for another big contract, meaning he’ll be aiming to impress on his train & trial deal at Manly.

I just hope we’re not the suckers who give him that next big contract.
 
I just hope he doesn't impose the bad apple syndrome that has caused multiple clubs to want him gone and he plays like the star he was gonna be.
 
BRONCOS SEAL LODGE’S MANLY MOVE

Manly owner and chair Scott Penn has revealed that a reference from Brisbane chair Karl Morris and a “long conversation” with Matt Lodge convinced him to rubber-stamp the signing of the former Brisbane and Roosters forward for the reminder of the season.

Lodge joined the Sea Eagles this week on a train-and-trial contract, having been told he was free to leave by the Roosters after a turbulent time at the club. He will play for Manly’s feeder side Blacktown this weekend as he looks to push for a return to first grade.

Penn insists Manly did their due diligence and confirmed that he had personally spoken to Lodge to ensure he was the best fit for the Sea Eagles.

“I wanted to have a chat to him before we took it any further,” Penn told Sport Confidential.

“It was really important that we are really focused on our culture and where we are heading as a club. We are absolutely focused on winning premierships.

“We need to make sure everyone coming to the club meets our culture. In pretty quick time it was clear he could add a lot of value.

“He is a super-smart guy. It was an enjoyable conversation because it wasn’t just about football. A lot of it was around his family and how passionate he is about his family.

“We want more leaders on and off the field within the club. There is an opportunity for him to cement himself in a real leadership position within the club.”

Lodge has only signed with Manly for the reminder of this season but Penn’s comments suggest he could secure a longer deal should he stand up over the coming months.

Penn insists the club conducted background research on Lodge given the nature of his departures from Brisbane, the Warriors and the Roosters — his exit from the Roosters was particularly acrimonious.

“We made sure we did due diligence,” Penn said.

“Things happen for a reason and as we know, there are always a number of sides to a story. The reality is with Matthew things have happened to him — some things he is not proud of but he has owned them and moved on.

“Ultimately, that is what we needed to hear. The good positive thing is he lives in the area, his kids go to school here and his eldest plays for the Mona Vale Raiders.

“We’re serious about what we want to achieve but we are also serious about our culture. So it had to be the right fit.”


Nrl Confidential in the tele.
 
BRONCOS SEAL LODGE’S MANLY MOVE

Manly owner and chair Scott Penn has revealed that a reference from Brisbane chair Karl Morris and a “long conversation” with Matt Lodge convinced him to rubber-stamp the signing of the former Brisbane and Roosters forward for the reminder of the season.

Lodge joined the Sea Eagles this week on a train-and-trial contract, having been told he was free to leave by the Roosters after a turbulent time at the club. He will play for Manly’s feeder side Blacktown this weekend as he looks to push for a return to first grade.

Penn insists Manly did their due diligence and confirmed that he had personally spoken to Lodge to ensure he was the best fit for the Sea Eagles.

“I wanted to have a chat to him before we took it any further,” Penn told Sport Confidential.

“It was really important that we are really focused on our culture and where we are heading as a club. We are absolutely focused on winning premierships.

“We need to make sure everyone coming to the club meets our culture. In pretty quick time it was clear he could add a lot of value.

“He is a super-smart guy. It was an enjoyable conversation because it wasn’t just about football. A lot of it was around his family and how passionate he is about his family.

“We want more leaders on and off the field within the club. There is an opportunity for him to cement himself in a real leadership position within the club.”

Lodge has only signed with Manly for the reminder of this season but Penn’s comments suggest he could secure a longer deal should he stand up over the coming months.

Penn insists the club conducted background research on Lodge given the nature of his departures from Brisbane, the Warriors and the Roosters — his exit from the Roosters was particularly acrimonious.

“We made sure we did due diligence,” Penn said.

“Things happen for a reason and as we know, there are always a number of sides to a story. The reality is with Matthew things have happened to him — some things he is not proud of but he has owned them and moved on.

“Ultimately, that is what we needed to hear. The good positive thing is he lives in the area, his kids go to school here and his eldest plays for the Mona Vale Raiders.

“We’re serious about what we want to achieve but we are also serious about our culture. So it had to be the right fit.”


Nrl Confidential in the tele.
“Things happen for a reason….”
Yes they do and that reason is because he’s a questionable character.
 
Penn insists the club conducted background research on Lodge given the nature of his departures from Brisbane, the Warriors and the Roosters — his exit from the Roosters was particularly acrimonious.

His exit from the Warriors was not particularly jovial either.
 
I, like all my fellow manly fans, feel incredible comforted that our focused, driven, engaged owner has taken the time out of his busy day running the most successful club in the NRL to personally vet Lodge.

His proven track record of sound judgement combined with his reluctance to hyperbole has made me, a doubter, into a believer.

I am off to the shops to buy a Blacktown Workers jersey ready to support our new super star
 
I, like all my fellow manly fans, feel incredible comforted that our focused, driven, engaged owner has taken the time out of his busy day running the most successful club in the NRL to personally vet Lodge.

His proven track record of sound judgement combined with his reluctance to hyperbole has made me, a doubter, into a believer.

I am off to the shops to buy a Blacktown Workers jersey ready to support our new super star
That's the spirit. We do have the Penn Centre of Excellence after all.
 
(Execute rare long-ish post - persevere!)

Agree with Bozo mostly, and there is an interesting background to this.

History:
(Wiki) Lodge signed a 1-year contract worth an estimated AU$85,000 with Brisbane Broncos for the 2018 National Rugby League season, in an attempt to resurrect his career. NRL was scrutinised for allowing the player contract whilst he still owed $2mill to victims of his 2015 US rampage.

Shortly after, Lodge was offered big $$ to stay at Broncos in 2020 (a 4-million for 5-year deal), and then Kev Walters took over and terminated the contract - as Lodge wasn't the right cultural fit - or words to that effect.

He was moved on to the Warriors on an $850k deal that the Warriors thought was good value, given - the Brocs were paying half of that (or so we are told..) - from a business decision perspective, shrewd operating from the Warriors one would think.

But it didn't work out at the Warriors (more info below), and he was moved on the the Rooters - who generally recognise talent at value-for-money (sombrero and brown-paper-golf-bags help), and they determined they had a place for certain player to fill, which Lodge obviously before being moved on to us. Note, the Broncos were still paying for Lodge when he was at Rooters.

The only consolation is we have a guy who 2-years ago was pulling $850k (even if he was being paid by 2 clubs), and yet we have him on a train-and-trial - which is the League terminology for paying SFA.

Opinion:
So the things that I find interesting is that Walters (ie Broncos), Warriors, & Roosters all find Lodge unbackable to the point of paying to move him on mid-contract. Yet Seibs started this guy's redemption at Brisbane (for all the good it did him), and is now yet again backing him into the Manly system.

So does it really come down to Manager loyalty by Seibold? Does he see something in Lodge we all don't? Does he command a Des-Foran type of respect? Or is it pupeteer Moses (extended family) pulling strings here?

If we conlcude Seibold is somewhat of a genius, we might have a great signing here for basically nothing. If he ISN'T on point though, we potentially have some serious problems at Manly as others have alluded to both here and in the media - with Seibold stacking the club with questionable intent (ie to service the Moses clan.....bad), and bad cultural decisions on players infiltrating the club via the EASIEST of access doors (IE Seibold being captive to the Moses's'sssss)



Source:
*Interesting reading - Warrior's perspective on the move to Rooters.

Seibold:
Seibold has to improve the team. Soon. Now even. Signing players like Brooks/Woods/Lodge may seem to be poor long-term planning according to some - but Seibold doesn't have long-term. He needs to at least finish better than 13th this year to start to justify the sacking of Des to the Penns and earn some leeway to differentiate.

And then arguably he needs significant top-4 results 2024 - with the cattle we have (available at least....looking at YOU TOM), most consider that a very realistic position. He isn't taking over the basket-case Tigers (he's just buying all their players... :() - and he doesn't need to oversee a full rebuild like Ciraldo at the Dogs.

And his strategy has to be to deliver on that - even if it has short-term consequences of not hatching some local eggs (Fainus', Meyers, Feledy, possibly Stuckey, hopefully not Humphreys too.....) - Seibold doesn't have the luxury of waiting for Juniors to 'come good'. You can't blame Seibold for playing the best hand he has available to him - his coaching career must be tied to results - and we as fans demand it as much as Penn/Management do.

Seibold Signings:
He has signed on Woods for Almonds, Lodge for Peanuts - experience we all cry out for (They are no BK - nobody available is sorry - closest we had was Joel Thompson and we let him fly to the Super League). All the whilst investing in the 'Juniors' that aren't unpalatable - like Schuster long-term, Koula, Trbojevics'.. even if Schuster is out of position, its a statement signing that says 'people devoted to the club, have a place at it'. I don't feel too bad about that approach to be honest, and if we burn a few mercenaries en-route, then so be it.

Penrith did similar less than 5-years back and look at them now. Why do we need Gould to state the fkn obvious? And lets face it, the Fainus' were not devoted ot the club in the same way Turbo-clan are, Tartak made sure of it, and Pacifika mentality was easily exploitable for a guy like Mario.

From what I could see, Loyalty would have seen the Fainu clan signed on FOR LIFE to Manly, after what the club did for Manase during that trial, and what it cost them (Api for one, moot point though as Manase was available when that decision was made - but it was a HUGE decision to let him go in hindsight). Was it self-serving to support Manase? Sure. Did it hurt the club? Undoubtedly. And now if the stories are to be believed, they are pushing for a better future and more support elsewhere? And we blame the management for not acquiescing to that? Fk that. No. Are we Moses' biitch, Tartak's, or the collecitve Fainu's?? Why is the growth of a managerial spine right now (even if unevenly) a bad thing? Benefit of doubt can hopefully apply here....

Lodge....Forgive and forget? Or just Forget?
Lodge's transgressions over in the US were 2015 - You can't seriously hold him to account for that today on that particular incident unless you believe in 1-strike and your done. His character is not the leading hiring criteria in his signing, but admittedly it is a consideration of concern for me given Josh A over Pride.... But...I'm willing to acknowledge that Lodge has matured/grown since 2015 and become a (slightly) better human. We must hope rehabilitation works, else anything you do in your teens/early 20's determines your life trajectory. No thanks.

However......his club-hopping behaviour since can't be linked to that criminal charge - it doesn't fill me with confidence given he has been moved on from 3 clubs in 3 years basically. All on elements of charater/influence/culture. Worried? A little bit, yes. Felt we had enough of this personality challenge with Aloiai's somewhat club-disruptive stance post-Pride (regardless of the merit of his position it DID disrupt the club big time - several losses on the trot are kinda all the evidence I need....). Last thing we need is ANOTHER agitator/disruptor in the Fwd pack.

Outcomes:
Worst case Scenario, Lodge plays Blacktown for rest of the year denying....who? Morgan Boyle a starting spot? Will anyone seriously nark up at that, given the shiit ST piles on that poor fellow? Seibs either has a view on this - or he is grossly naive. Live and die by our choices I guess.

If he occupies a spot currently taken by Woods (ho hum as per ST), or Out-of-favour Keppie (ST has said it - he has too many spells of dropsies! Not enough consistency! I like the kid though and would stick with him...) .....maybe covering the likely-departing S Fainu..... eep surely not Sipley, or even pushing out Aloiai (even if some would be ok with that, I admit I wouldn't be ok with a Lodge/Aloiai swapsies!).....omg not Paseka surely, nooo! He's been a shining light this season!.....

Well yeah, then we have some serious questions to ask of coaching on what eventuates. Seibold SURELY isn't that naive and impulsive, but if he is, better we find that out now than in 2-3 years when he has us positioned for our first spoon, right?

However.....x-factor here - Is Seibold maybe the only one who can 'tame' Lodge into career-defining performance, that represents solid ROI on a Train-and-Trial, and an eventual future at the club?? Even on a Train and Trial, when corrosive cultural impact is well documented? Time shall tell - could be genius move or absolute clusterfk.

And if Lodge is indeed living on the Northern Beaches now, surely that mellows a guy approaching his 30's? What better lifestyle could promote a change in ones' direction than our beloved stomping ground? It's "God's country" after all... and boy do I miss it, living overseas! I remember the talk about Dylan Walker's issues - I ran into Dylan a few times at DeeWhy/Narrabeen over his contract and found the guy a real delight, lovely human - despite the rap sheet. There is hope. And look at Dylan now, at the Warriors, smashing it.

We either write this off as desperate attention-seeking, or we try and understand Seib's vision and 'process' here. Admittedly, Seibs has NOT won me over with his strategic acumen yet, despite his media-facing capabilites to 'put on a good show' for the Fox-aligned critiquers. Des sucked at winning the media, at least Siebold doesn't create artifical media-targets on our guys backs through his non-adherence (as much as I respected Des for his take-no-prisoners attitude to the media)

I will therefore occupy a cowardly position on Lodge. Firmly on the fence about this one - so I can rant/claim on ST in future (as we do..), on what is literally the toss of a coin on this one. Seibs has either delivered a masterstroke or a monumental fk-up - and I doubt middle-ground will occupy anyone's thoughts in 6-9 months time.
Great effort you put in that post feathered friend
 
I get a lot of what ya sayin but....here me out ....

Where do I start Woodsie ....I'll do my darndest mate in order @:smirk:
The turnaround - and this is my opinion right or wrong ....Since the horrible incident, seems to be not creating too many headlines and playing footy - some good - some ordinary imo.

My opinion regarding his character is scratchy, as like yourself, I don't know the bloke.
But he is a hardhead who will add toughness and I know we lack in this area.
Make us a better team ? Hopefully ?....as above - rugged approach hopefully inspires his mates to, but as I also stated he needs to show more in footy ability then what Iv'e seen, as not been as impressed as many others on here....though had a great start at Roosters, but that form dropped noticeably by the time sent to NSW Cup.

The US scene was horrific - refuse to defend it....but know many good ppl who have been caught up in bad situations and not I'm holding a lifelong sentence on it.

The talk of building a better cleanskin type footy team....I really reckon if we had the media frenzy on "bad off field behaviour" that was caught in the media, would be lucky to field 1 NRL team.
Just maybe the Jake, DCE type influence will also help keep him in check a bit ?

The great mate - clubman stuff....again not sure as have never met him, but I do reckon will add a bit of toughness to the pack and just hopefully his worst moments are behind him and he rips in and has a real go for Manly.

My final say Woodsie, I really hope he wins you over on the footy field with some tough, robust displays, personally I wish we could bring in Kevin Ward to show this pack how good old fashion footy was played, but this is a cheap option that just may pay dividends.
I don't know Maxta, I reckon Kevin Ward would be a cheap option.
 
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