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StuBoot
Bencher
Good points Moz ( can I call you Moz? )
It's something that has always intrigued me, some coaches get the punt but then a new coach is appointed under his terms no matter how loony or expensive they may be..
Why not just give the previous coach what he wanted at maybe 75% of the cost?
I suppose proven coaches can command that right regardless of how long ago it was and new coaches have to earn it or fluke it.
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Wonder who ate the humble pie ?? You'd have to think it's a sellers market as far as coaches go in the NRL so suspect Des may have held all the cards. I just hope they are going to rein in his cap management techniques.
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Shoe1
Journey Man
Moz, don’t let him call you moz
Kevinward777
First Grader
Will be very interesting to see what our defence looks like after one pre-season with Desmond and our inadequate facilities... one thing’s for certain... he won’t be crying in the media about how under resourced the place is... portraying himself as a martyr who is willing to quit midway through the following season for the betterment of the club. This is great news!
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Shoe1
Journey Man
And Jonathan wright
Bird of Prey
Reserve Grader
If it’s true and I say if , I still have issues with Des BUT I can put that aside if it means success for the club , players and supporters but please no back end contracts.
Barrett's furniture issues probably go back to the Hasler days
Remember a story about how the Stewart's locked a duck in his office and it shat over everything, hope they give that desk a bit of a refurb before Dessie chucks his feet under it
Remember a story about how the Stewart's locked a duck in his office and it shat over everything, hope they give that desk a bit of a refurb before Dessie chucks his feet under it
Kevinward777
First Grader
It’s easy to forget there are 15 other teams trying to make the finals... of which there is a handful who are allowed to carry a distinct advantage with them into each new season. Dessie coming home almost makes up for the past three seasons I’ve had to endure.
ManlyTragic
Bencher
OK who were the 2 people that voted for Jason Taylor in this poll? Come on come clean own up !
ManlyTragic
Bencher
Des probably took the desk with him. From memory he just about tried to take everything else! Just sayin
Jigzkiller
Bencher
I hope Weidler is right for once I would love to renew my membership.
HappilyManly
Journey Man
Law of Average dictates that he gets 1 right eventualy
Dee Why Eagle
Bencher
Never ever thought I could accept Des back...
Just goes to show how far we have sunk.
Mixed feelings, but relieved we have someone capable back - if true of course!
Hope he surrounds himself with some Manly men (and someone to handle contract negotiations
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Just goes to show how far we have sunk.
Mixed feelings, but relieved we have someone capable back - if true of course!
Hope he surrounds himself with some Manly men (and someone to handle contract negotiations
)
Shoe1
Journey Man
You know what, I can live with backended contracts if we win a few premierships first.
Kevinward777
First Grader
For goodness sakes man... don’t go calling him Moz... you don’t want to see what happens to people who call him that.
Struggling Manly cannot afford to ignore Geoff Toovey’s interest in taking over from Trent Barrett
Paul Kent, The Daily Telegraph
8 minutes ago
Subscriber only
GEOFF Toovey’s timing was always perfect, like every hero.
He came to Manly at a time when the Sea Eagles were turning over a generation and, for more than a decade, he would shape the Sea Eagles' identity.
They were tough and relentless and always at you. It delivered three grand finals, a premiership and a trip to the finals almost every season.
Manly bosses should ignore Toovey’s offer to rescue the club at their peril.
They would not be employing a football coach.
Manly owner Scott Penn needs to consider Toovey not for his potential to resurrect the football program, but to save the club itself.
Geoff Toovey doesn’t want to spending his time at Manly Beach. (Adam Yip)
Toovey was restless this past winter.
Through the week he induced himself into small coma, pouring over numbers in his job as a chartered accountant. For a man who remains one of the game’s greatest competitors this was akin to putting a lion in a circus cage.
Given his private hell, though, it’s tough to say his weekends were worse.
Without the emotional high of wins and losses in his life, the nervous flutters in the dressing room before games, the energy in the coach’s box during games, the pay-off after it was all over, Toovey found his weekends flat and excruciating.
Des Hasler too Manly to unexpected heights.
Towards the end of the season he was talking to Des Hasler, another former coach counting minutes on the clock, and he fired up about their lack of weekend activity, the boredom they shared, and he convinced Hasler they should take Hasler’s boat and go out on the water for some fishing and fun.
Hasler had given the boat so little use he had to go to his storage shed to get the outboard motor.
He pulled it out for what would be its second run in nine years.
They went out on the water to do a little fishing and quickly found neither had the patience for it. Sea Eagles yes, sea legs no.
The motor went back into storage.
Toovey was able to carry on Hasler’s work. (Brett Costello)
Hasler has come in for a lot of criticism since he became an unemployed coach but nobody can deny what he was able to at Manly on, what we are now discovering, was limited chance.
This largesse of private ownership was a mirage. The Sea Eagles’ first priority seems, according to owners, to do it cheaper than everybody else.
To where it has made the club vulnerable.
Toovey came in after Hasler and also had success.
In his four seasons at Manly Toovey made a preliminary final, a grand final and a semi-final before finishing a win out of the top eight in his final season.
Most clubs would kill for a coach to sack after stint like that.
What failed to get acknowledged was the duress the success came under.
Working with no support was Barrett’s breaking point. (AAP Image/Dan Himbrechts)
Toovey operated on the same limited budget outgoing coach Trent Barrett found unacceptable. That Michael Maguire walked away from after being offered the job.
The little known end for Toovey began Parramatta, using illegal money because they were cheating the cap, lured Anthony Watmough away mid-season and the house of cards came down.
Toovey got sacked and the club went into a rebuild that has come in for misplaced criticism. The Sea Eagles have three Kangaroos and a Kiwi playing in Saturday’s Test. Only the Roosters have more Kangaroos.
Manly still have a beating heart of talent. (AAP Image/Darren England)
The NRL, as the licence owner, need to give Scott Penn a kick in the pants and tell him to get his club in shape or the licence is going to someone else.
Penn is on record saying the club has cost him between $1 million and $1.5 million a year since he bought it in 2009.
He is still in front, though.
When Penn bought the Sea Eagles for $7.5 million in 2009 he not only got the football team but got the Manly Leagues Club as well, where the true rivers of gold ran.
When the vote went to members former first grader and Manly developer Phil Franks, who had recent close links to the club, aggressively opposed the sale. Club chairman Bob Reilly had to interrupt Franks’ spiel to get on with the vote.
Manly co-owner Scott Penn has been the target of much criticism. (Tim Hunter.)
The hands went up and Manly members voted overwhelmingly in favour.
Sold.
As the hands were still being counted, a landslide, Franks stood and stopped at the door on the way out.
“Rest in peace,” he yelled.
Who ever knew he was a prophet.
Penn sold the leagues club land and its car park to Chinese investors in 2015 for a deal believed to be worth $35 million.
The Leagues Club lease runs out in May next year, which almost certainly spells the end for the failing Leagues Club.
It all masks something more, though, which is that the club has lost its soul.
The only roots tying the Sea Eagles to the northern peninsula after the club goes will be faded memories and a council-owned football ground.
And it seems not even they are enough.
Those faded memories were there a week before the grand final when Manly’s 1978 premiership team had their 40-year reunion at Manly Leagues Club.
These men were behind one of the greatest performances in rugby league history.
Busted and beaten, they played five games in 22 days, including two midweek replays, to claim the premiership.
Not one current Manly official bothered to wake from their sleepwalk and turn up.
Manly fans are doing it tough. (Mark Evans)
The apathy up top runs through the club. Penn doesn’t strike anyone as a football guy, and the lack of care filters through to fans who have stopped attending.
There was a time when Manly fans, almost proudly, refused to travel over the Spit Bridge. Now they struggle to get as far as Brookvale. Four out of every 10 fans at the game five years ago now no longer go.
Wherever they look the Sea Eagles are on a slow death march.
Since Toovey left Manly has suffered the worst fate of all for a professional sporting team. They have become boring.
“Guess What? Manly hates you too!” the sign on the Brookie hill says.
With options running out, Toovey looks the club’s best bet. (Mark Metcalfe/Getty Images)
The club is operating $330,000 under the salary cap after it got busted cheating the cap.
Toovey would change the apathy.
He brings passion.
He is combative and pugnacious and forces you to care, one way or another.
If you don’t like him well, guess what, he doesn’t like you too.
That is what Manly needs more than anything.
Paul Kent, The Daily Telegraph
8 minutes ago
Subscriber only
GEOFF Toovey’s timing was always perfect, like every hero.
He came to Manly at a time when the Sea Eagles were turning over a generation and, for more than a decade, he would shape the Sea Eagles' identity.
They were tough and relentless and always at you. It delivered three grand finals, a premiership and a trip to the finals almost every season.
Manly bosses should ignore Toovey’s offer to rescue the club at their peril.
They would not be employing a football coach.
Manly owner Scott Penn needs to consider Toovey not for his potential to resurrect the football program, but to save the club itself.
Geoff Toovey doesn’t want to spending his time at Manly Beach. (Adam Yip)
Toovey was restless this past winter.
Through the week he induced himself into small coma, pouring over numbers in his job as a chartered accountant. For a man who remains one of the game’s greatest competitors this was akin to putting a lion in a circus cage.
Given his private hell, though, it’s tough to say his weekends were worse.
Without the emotional high of wins and losses in his life, the nervous flutters in the dressing room before games, the energy in the coach’s box during games, the pay-off after it was all over, Toovey found his weekends flat and excruciating.
Des Hasler too Manly to unexpected heights.
Towards the end of the season he was talking to Des Hasler, another former coach counting minutes on the clock, and he fired up about their lack of weekend activity, the boredom they shared, and he convinced Hasler they should take Hasler’s boat and go out on the water for some fishing and fun.
Hasler had given the boat so little use he had to go to his storage shed to get the outboard motor.
He pulled it out for what would be its second run in nine years.
They went out on the water to do a little fishing and quickly found neither had the patience for it. Sea Eagles yes, sea legs no.
The motor went back into storage.
Toovey was able to carry on Hasler’s work. (Brett Costello)
Hasler has come in for a lot of criticism since he became an unemployed coach but nobody can deny what he was able to at Manly on, what we are now discovering, was limited chance.
This largesse of private ownership was a mirage. The Sea Eagles’ first priority seems, according to owners, to do it cheaper than everybody else.
To where it has made the club vulnerable.
Toovey came in after Hasler and also had success.
In his four seasons at Manly Toovey made a preliminary final, a grand final and a semi-final before finishing a win out of the top eight in his final season.
Most clubs would kill for a coach to sack after stint like that.
What failed to get acknowledged was the duress the success came under.
Working with no support was Barrett’s breaking point. (AAP Image/Dan Himbrechts)
Toovey operated on the same limited budget outgoing coach Trent Barrett found unacceptable. That Michael Maguire walked away from after being offered the job.
The little known end for Toovey began Parramatta, using illegal money because they were cheating the cap, lured Anthony Watmough away mid-season and the house of cards came down.
Toovey got sacked and the club went into a rebuild that has come in for misplaced criticism. The Sea Eagles have three Kangaroos and a Kiwi playing in Saturday’s Test. Only the Roosters have more Kangaroos.
Manly still have a beating heart of talent. (AAP Image/Darren England)
The NRL, as the licence owner, need to give Scott Penn a kick in the pants and tell him to get his club in shape or the licence is going to someone else.
Penn is on record saying the club has cost him between $1 million and $1.5 million a year since he bought it in 2009.
He is still in front, though.
When Penn bought the Sea Eagles for $7.5 million in 2009 he not only got the football team but got the Manly Leagues Club as well, where the true rivers of gold ran.
When the vote went to members former first grader and Manly developer Phil Franks, who had recent close links to the club, aggressively opposed the sale. Club chairman Bob Reilly had to interrupt Franks’ spiel to get on with the vote.
Manly co-owner Scott Penn has been the target of much criticism. (Tim Hunter.)
The hands went up and Manly members voted overwhelmingly in favour.
Sold.
As the hands were still being counted, a landslide, Franks stood and stopped at the door on the way out.
“Rest in peace,” he yelled.
Who ever knew he was a prophet.
Penn sold the leagues club land and its car park to Chinese investors in 2015 for a deal believed to be worth $35 million.
The Leagues Club lease runs out in May next year, which almost certainly spells the end for the failing Leagues Club.
It all masks something more, though, which is that the club has lost its soul.
The only roots tying the Sea Eagles to the northern peninsula after the club goes will be faded memories and a council-owned football ground.
And it seems not even they are enough.
Those faded memories were there a week before the grand final when Manly’s 1978 premiership team had their 40-year reunion at Manly Leagues Club.
These men were behind one of the greatest performances in rugby league history.
Busted and beaten, they played five games in 22 days, including two midweek replays, to claim the premiership.
Not one current Manly official bothered to wake from their sleepwalk and turn up.
Manly fans are doing it tough. (Mark Evans)
The apathy up top runs through the club. Penn doesn’t strike anyone as a football guy, and the lack of care filters through to fans who have stopped attending.
There was a time when Manly fans, almost proudly, refused to travel over the Spit Bridge. Now they struggle to get as far as Brookvale. Four out of every 10 fans at the game five years ago now no longer go.
Wherever they look the Sea Eagles are on a slow death march.
Since Toovey left Manly has suffered the worst fate of all for a professional sporting team. They have become boring.
“Guess What? Manly hates you too!” the sign on the Brookie hill says.
With options running out, Toovey looks the club’s best bet. (Mark Metcalfe/Getty Images)
The club is operating $330,000 under the salary cap after it got busted cheating the cap.
Toovey would change the apathy.
He brings passion.
He is combative and pugnacious and forces you to care, one way or another.
If you don’t like him well, guess what, he doesn’t like you too.
That is what Manly needs more than anything.
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