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Cleal 'driven out by infighting'

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by ManlyBacker, Nov 11, 2011.

  1. ManlyBacker

    ManlyBacker Winging it Staff Member

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    AFTER 15 years as a player and manager at Manly, former Sea Eagles recruitment boss Noel "Crusher" Cleal had had enough of the factional infighting.


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  2. Frogz

    Frogz Don't mess with the goat, he has photos. Premium Member

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    Out of the frying pan and into the fire Crusher. Just go and shut up....you and your mates have done enough thanks.
     
  3. tookey

    tookey Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Who are these people at the club who want to interfere with crushers recruitment? Do these people think that they can do the job better than him?

    Why didn't the club sign Des and crusher to long term deals earlier in the season? The clubs problems seem to stem from when perry started with the club. Send him back to the dragons now.

    Plenty more dark days ahead for this club as it is run by fools. Don't blame Des and crusher as it is obvious that they wanted to stay but the clubs incompetance failed to secure them long term.
     
  4. Moondog

    Moondog Grey-beard loon Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    So he's saying that if Des had'nt decided to go to the Dogs he would have in any case?
     
  5. byso

    byso Well-Known Member

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    He's just looking for excuses. Of cause the odd person will get in the way of negotiations. Those guys need to grow up and understand they don't own the club. They just work there.
     
  6. Stevo

    Stevo Well-Known Member

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    I don't know much about this. But, from the outside looking in, the "they had the chance to sign Des 6 months ago" line is effin bull****. I don't know if this question has been asked yet but if anyone can shed some light on it that would be great.

    Why would it be a priority to re-sign a coach who still had 18 months to go on his contract?

    Shouldn't player retention and the current season be the focus? Couldn't it have waited until the off season?
     
  7. lsz

    lsz Well-Known Member Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    The first direct quote from a staff member citing board interference

    Again rather than crying out about what has happened maybe it is worth looking at the cause.

    Crushers job was player recruitment - people are entitled to feel aggrieved if they are responsible for a task but do not have complete ownership. I feel this in my current role which is why I am leaving
     
  8. tulley

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    Keep in mind that the club didnt secure a major sponsor until july 1 and even with the benefit of half a season sponsorship, money was in short supply.
     
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  9. WAMF

    WAMF Well-Known Member

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    Fair enough, if you don't like it, you leave. But tell me in what circumstance the big boss (not the coach or recruitment mgr) should not be involved in negotiations relating to monetary matters?
     
  10. eagle-rock08

    eagle-rock08 Active Member

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    Well Crusher you are a bulldog now.

    So pipe down go and I hope their board is better than ours (but I don't beleive it.)
     
  11. Stevo

    Stevo Well-Known Member

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    I have heard that Manly was the only club that had the coach and the recruitment manager running the show. Really, shouldn't it be their job to recruit and manage players. Surely it should be left to the board or at least with the blessing and directive of the board to negotiate contracts?
     
  12. lsz

    lsz Well-Known Member Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    WAMF historically i have always owned the P & L for my department which includes the salary / contracts

    I report into the MD my results on a monthly basis but he does not control my area.

    As long as I meet the key success measures (similar to Des winning the comp and staying within the cap) I am left alone. It is effective management

    Part of the reason for me leaving is losing some of the budget control which is necessary for me to do my job[hr]
    Also we are the only club to make 3 out of the last 5 grand finals...and not rort the cap...
     
  13. HELLAS_EAGLES

    HELLAS_EAGLES New Member

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    That's exactly spot on. It has been stated that our finances at the time were not exactly oozing out the seams and probably still aren't. Well perhaps slightly better now with meagre prizemoney that we've picked up (albeit we are still running at a loss for this season).

    Crusher stated the club should of went to Des and said - "Here's a contract. How long do you want". Oops didn't mention anything about $$$$$$$ !!!!

    Also about being 'Professionals' - yeah right .... Try standing on your own two feet Crusher.

    All of this has been about cool & calculated maneuvering (ie. Revenge against the Board/Powerbrokers) on the part of Des & the gang. No thought has ever been put into how this would affect the players & fans.

    Of course this is just my opinion.

    All we can say now is - see ya & thanks for the Premierships !!
     
  14. Stevo

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    Yeah that's fine mate. But it sounds like Des at times held the board to ransom. Example-why was his contract signing so important when he had 18 months to go on his contract?
     
  15. lsz

    lsz Well-Known Member Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    To be fair look at how the board responded at the end (with the additional $) you can understand Des wanting that sooner and playing hardball over it
     
  16. Stevo

    Stevo Well-Known Member

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    Yes and no. It could still have waited until the off season.
     
  17. lsz

    lsz Well-Known Member Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Not sure about that - the one place (as we are finding out) you need stability is in the front office

    I would think 18 months ahead is leaving it a touch late
     
  18. ERNIE FOR NO7

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    NEGOTIATIONS

    From my dealings with the club I found it the opposite. While Crusher identified talent and recommended players for signing, and then spoke with the player and agent about joining the club he had no involvement with the drawing up the contract and determing and then negotiating the price.

    At other clubs recruitment officers can give you a written offer in 24 hours and usually signs the offer themself.

    I found the effort to get a written offer from Manly far more drawn and frustrating than at other clubs that I have dealt with. And I am sure Crusher was regularly frustrated from being hounded by Agents , chasing up the paper work.

    Sure Crusher had more involvement with the NRL coach in coaching the team than other recruitment officers do. But he did not have a hands on role in coaching at training. I think the role between Crusher and Hasler was a successful one and with a budget far less than other clubs the recruitment of players has been good.
     
  19. WAMF

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    Possibly in this circumstance lsz.
    However, we really do appear to be a club that is literally living from pay packet to pay packet. Des and Crusher know this. Plus there have been budgetary cuts to the jrs and other areas relating to football matters which wouldn't have pleased these guys.
    Then you have a dog in shining armour approach Des with a brand new state of the art facility (paid for by the taxpayers), with all the bells and whistles he could dream of that Manly couldn't provide and an open cheque book to sign whoever he wants on his team.
    He was always leaving.
     
  20. DSM5

    DSM5 Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    18 months? surely you jest Isz. I would have thought 12 would have been more than reasonable. Cleal and Des are employees of the club. They shouldn't be running the place. When Cleal says that others from the club were trying to get involved in recruitment, that would seem to me to be perfectly reasonable. If the CEO wants to get involved in recruitment and contracts then good. Ultimately he's responsible for the good governance and financial well being of the club. If Cleal is responsible for recruitment, who's looking over his shoulder to see he's acting responsibly. Seems that these two blokes were becoming a little precious. Crusher says he is 'excited to go to the Dogs'. Says it all really.
     
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