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Will people stop moaning about the salary cap

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Disco, Nov 20, 2014.

  1. Disco

    Disco Well-Known Member

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    Its seems like everytime a club signs a player there are universal howls of "the cap doesn't apply to x club" or "brown paper bags for sure"

    On the page at the moment the Broncos are definitely cheating because they lost Barba, Hannet and Kennedy and replaced them with Boyd, Blair and Milford

    The Sharks would be over the cap if the signed DCE because they have Fifita, Lewis and Gallen

    And lets not even start on the Roosters, Bulldogs and Bunnies

    Now I'm not saying clubs aren't cheating, the Storm and Dogs showed us it can happen, but with front ended deals, back ended deals, marque allowances, third party payments and long serving player allowances I'm willing to give every club the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise

    Not to mention we have Stewart, Matai, Lyon, DCE and Foran on our books.......our roster stacks up against any out there so if we can do it, so can others

    RANT OVER!!!
     
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    • anthonyb1965

      anthonyb1965 GO Manly Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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      Bloody salary cap!
       
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      • lsz

        lsz Well-Known Member Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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        So you are saying we are cheating the cap?
         
      • Frogz

        Frogz Well-Known Member Premium Member

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        I think your a dope Disco, Broncos are still paying for Barba to start with, but they can keep on poaching..

        .DCE and Foran haven't been topped up yet so they are still unders to what others would pay them right now....

        Do u not believe that Packer for example doesn't have 10 men that would tip in a $100k each as 3rd party and just happen to win it back in his casino.

        Mate their are 3-4 teams that have no boundaries....The rest will just continue to finish behind them...3rd party is open to abuse and as such is being abused.

        The Broncos just had the biggest "claytons" salary cap audit ever...but u believe what u want....it ain't no level playing field anymore....Lets not even start with when Jarred Hayne comes back and the NRL get him into Parra again.....its a rort
         
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        • niccipops

          niccipops un echidna spillo mia bevanda Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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          To the rorters, storm, dogs, bunnies and donkeys,
          I found your missing item.

          :p
           
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          • Disco

            Disco Well-Known Member

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            That would be the half glass empty way of looking at it Isz
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            Yes of course I am a dope because you know exactly how much the Broncos are still paying Barba and obviously you know that the Tigers aren't tipping in for Blair nor the Knights for Boyd

            My point is not that all teams are clean but that the tanty throwing and conspiracy theories when a club signs a player is pointless and often ill informed

            When a club get caught out I'll throw daggers with the rest, until then, fair game
             
          • Darren

            Darren Well-Known Member

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            I agree Disco, we actually did get fined with salary cap issues this year and we lost half a million. Must have been holes in the paper bags at our club. No wonder they got rid of Perry!! :p:dodgy:

            People I know snigger with Brett, Matai, Lyon, Taufau, Wolfie, DCE, Foran, Stewie 2, Choc, Kingy, Ballin, JSL, Horo, Buhrer and Hiku. That's 13 internationals right there. And don't start anyone not Manly on the Brookie home ground penalty count.
             
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            • Disco

              Disco Well-Known Member

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              One way is to do what they do in American sports and publish players wages
               
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              • TheQuirkster

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                I, personally, have ranted about the salary cap rorts by other teams. I am very well aware, though, that we have quite a good roster as well.

                We have signed old, unwanted players in the past, like Joe Galuvao, who have been given a go, and they took it and played like champions. Their smaller contracts do help with the retention of the big money players. We have a great history in this respect.

                What bothers me is the $200,000 salary cap bonus for loyal players who have been at the club for more than 10 years. It is a one-off payment, meant for only one player. We've had numerous players who are entitled to this, but have to share the money between them. Fans cry out for player loyalty, but the NRL doesn't care.

                Another thing that bothers me are the back-ended contracts. We had to fork out $80,000 to pay out Tony Williams a few years ago, when we were trying to re-sign Brett Stewart, and we copped a fine as well for that.

                I don't know how the salary cap is structured, but I wish that it was more transparent for us fans. To be honest, though, I think every club finds loopholes.

                I bleed maroon and white, though, like the rest of you, but I will continually whinge about this because it helps me get some frustration out. Truth or not, I am biased.

                However, I do do it quietly, so you won't see me whinging on this forum about it (I will not promise that, because I still might one day).
                 
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                • Loobs

                  Loobs I am not really Scott Penn Premium Member

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                  I'll continue to rant until they publish all salary and third party deal amounts so we actually know the truth. Don't know why that is so hard...

                  Well I know why they won't - they don't like the idea of Joe Punter the average hard working fan knowing that these dead head peanuts earn what they earn.

                  So maybe I'll revise my first comment. I'll stop whinging when Todd Greenturd takes responsibility for something. Anything. Even if it's accidentally forgetting to pick up dinner for the fam on the way home from work. Don't care. Will accept anything...
                   
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                  • The Who

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                    Willy Mason is the first established top-grade player we've signed in years - and that's because he was unwanted at his old club. Yet clubs like Easts, the Donkeys, Cronulla and the Dogs continually sign well established players who must be on big salaries.
                    That's the difference between us and THEM!
                     
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                    • Daddycool08

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                      I have expressed my feelings on the salary cap many times.

                      While it may not be rorted it is relatively easy to rort.

                      I used to be an auditor so I do know something of the lengths people will go to to defraud an employer, a government or a governing body such as the NRL.

                      There are those that say, from an ill informed perspective, that there must be breaches in the cap and the NRL appears to either turn a blind eye or even worse sanction it.

                      I have spoken of other methods on several occasions as well. I submit a points system be implemented and pay the player whatever he can demand on the open market.

                      I envisage the top 25 players should have a combined value of 25,000 points. The points would be:

                      Current International Player 2,000 points (DCE, Foran, Hiku for example).

                      Current SOO players 1,500 points.

                      Grade players year one 400 points.
                      Grade players year two 600 points
                      Grade players from 3 - 6 years equal 1,000 points.
                      Grade players year seven 800 points
                      Grade players year eight 600 points
                      Grade players year nine onwards 400 points.

                      Then you build in length of service with a club and discount the player points.

                      So for example say Foran is worth 2,000 points but has played for Manly for 5 years. His points value to Manly would be discounted by say 50%.

                      But as has been rumoured he goes somewhere else his points value goes back up to 2,000. Hence a club needs to think long and hard before signing a 2,000 point player.

                      Build in an appeals process and a penalty process and have the NRL set the points grade on each player and let the season begin.

                      Advantages:

                      Totally transparent and no one needs know what a player gets paid.

                      No need for back-ended or front-ended contracts.

                      The players get what they can command but there would be no free for all as clubs couldn't simply sign the best 25 players because they'd be over their point limit. For example 50,000 (25 internationals each worth 2,000 points.)

                      Effectively rewarding clubs for development and long-serving players. All above board and all transparent and no more conjecture.

                      Players not being forced out by an antiquated salary cap that can be rorted as has been on occasion.

                      But that would take a major change in the NRL consciousness and move it towards the 21 st Century and away from the chook-raffle mentality.
                       
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                      • Fluffy

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                        The reason people moan about salary cap issues is that the ones who have been caught have basically dobbed themselves in. The NRL has not been catching clubs out and must have given out more that 100 fines now.

                        Leaves me with no confidence that they will find cheating clubs and there are people out there that will do what ever it takes hence when it has feathers and quacks it probably is a duck.
                         
                      • Kiwi Eagle

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                        Have seen the points cap mentioned a few times over the years. Can see the points in favour of it but not a big fan personally. I also think you would end up seeing more contracts broken and players released than we are seeing now as well

                        Best example for that would be if we had a points system like above for DCE when he came in

                        He starts off at 400 in year one, and then all of a sudden after 1 year he is playing test matches and jumps up to 2000 with no discounts for length of service and then the club has to scramble and shed a few players to squeeze 25 into the points cap because they weren't budgeting for that big sudden increase
                         
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                        • SeaEagleRock8

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                          FORMER NRL Roosters’ captain Anthony Minichiello and his designer wife Terry Biviano have scored a “renovator’s delight”, after forking out more than $3 million for a Vaucluse fixer upper.

                          http://www.news.com.au/finance/real-estate/anthony-minichiello-and-terry-biviano-snap-up-3m-vaucluse-house/story-fnd91nhy-1227154861994
                           
                        • Mark from Brisbane

                          Mark from Brisbane Living the dream Premium Member

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                          Vaucluse , right up miss Biviano's ally!!
                           
                        • wombatgc

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                          Mini's money would be lucky to get a descent garden makeover compared to his missus'
                           
                        • Daddycool08

                          Daddycool08 Well-Known Member

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                          But that is where the appeals process would work. A club who finds a talent would have an opportunity to appeal to reduce the points. Thus rewarding good talent scouts.
                           
                        • StuBoot

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                          One of the tenets of a salary cap is to stop clubs from spending more money than they can afford ( and go broke ). There is only X amount of dollars regardless, a points system won't change that.
                          Take our squad for example, we may be able to fit them all in under a sliding points system ( junior, developed, long-serving ) but if we paid them all what they want we'd be broke.
                           
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                          • StuBoot

                            StuBoot Well-Known Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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                            One of the tenets of a salary cap is to stop clubs from spending more money than they can afford ( and go broke ). There is only X amount of dollars regardless, a points system won't change that.
                            Take our squad for example, we may be able to fit them all in under a sliding points system ( junior, developed, long-serving ) but if we paid them all what they want we'd be broke.
                             

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