Why #2

[germaneagle]

The players we have are not up to the task and now our good players such as Turbo and Tapau are feeling it I am fearful if we make the eight what the result could be for us going forward. Easy to name names and feel disappointed but many of our squad are fringe NRL players at best, but really that is because they are with us and not the Storm where performances like this would not be tolerated.

 

[nightster]

hate to say it but our halves made their halves look great .... come to think of it !...

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

How do we get belted by team below us but beat the Rorters.

Most people don't want to accept this but the fact is, there not too much difference between most of the teams.

Being a bit off on the day, or down of confidence, getting some poor calls, etc etc, suddenly anyone can win a game.

Dogs have beaten Brisbane this year remember, and Wests and Knights have done ok lately.

Worst part is, Warrioris probably now see us as vulnerable and will probably rip in!

 

[Little Grubber Kick]

The players we have are not up to the task and now our good players such as Turbo and Tapau are feeling it.......

Yes that is the nature of a team sport, the better players would know, either consciously or unconsciously, that there are poor players in the team....and then their own confidence gets affected, or they start trying to do too much to compensate and lose form that way.

Most people don't want to accept this but the fact is, there not too much difference between most of the teams.
Being a bit off on the day, or down of confidence, getting some poor calls, etc etc, suddenly anyone can win a game.

and whilst you are correct that most people don't want to accept that fact you can be absolutely sure that the 'owners of the entertainment' are fully 100% cognisant of it.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Don't really agree with that, DCE and Jake are both leaders and have led us out of a pickle more than once already this season, most recently against the Chooks.

 

[Tomay]

I still believe the team can turn it around but it won't be easy. It's 90% attitude and confidence but there's also a few issues.

There's no doubt that Kelly and Green are very bad tacklers, especially one on one. Knowing this, you'd hope that the team uses line speed and an out-to-in defence from the outside backs to limit the opposition players time to create one on ones. Our second rowers aren't asked to do a lot so this has to be their responsibility - to get off the line into the face of the opposition and protect our edge defenders. We have to stop sliding and move up faster. Tommy probably needs to do a bit more organising from the back as well as being prepared to swoop across to an unmarked winger in the corner.

We were doing this much better earlier in the season. I have a feeling that the penalty fest against the Panthers really hurt our confidence at slowing the ruck down to allow our defence to get set. Hopefully we actually go back to testing the refs a bit and dare them to penalise us out of the game - its what the Sharks, Storm and Eels do. Knowing that the refs have to make the game a spectacle, you'd hope they are reluctant to blow the pea out of the whistle continuously. Then again, we aren't the darlings of the media/NRL that these teams are.

 

[Chip and Chase]

Don't really agree with that, DCE and Jake are both leaders and have led us out of a pickle more than once already this season, most recently against the Chooks.

Everyone is hanging their hat on that Roosters win as the indicator of what we are capable of. I was at that game and I can tell you the display wasn't much better than what we've put on in the other 4 games since Dragons game. Our defense was still flat footed and lacking commitment. Roosters made as many line breaks as we did, and I think we missed just as many tackles as they did. The thing that saved us was the Roosters errors , because they created enough chances to get into that game - Guerra dropped a sitter over the line at a crucial point which would have put them back in touch on the scoreboard. I thought the final scoreline flattered us and I didn't come away from that game thinking we had turned the corner by any means. Given our formline you'd have to say that Roosters win was an anomaly.

 

[Little Grubber Kick]

I have a feeling that the penalty fest against the Panthers really hurt our confidence...... ...Knowing that the refs have to make the game a spectacle, you'd hope they are reluctant to blow the pea out of the whistle continuously.

It was bad luck to draw the Panthers that week, they had to win to keep in touch with the 8 before all their stars returned from injury. 14 penalties later, job done!

 

[mave]

Everyone is hanging their hat on that Roosters win as the indicator of what we are capable of. I was at that game and I can tell you the display wasn't much better than what we've put on in the other 4 games since Dragons game. Our defense was still flat footed and lacking commitment. Roosters made as many line breaks as we did, and I think we missed just as many tackles as they did. The thing that saved us was the Roosters errors , because they created enough chances to get into that game - Guerra dropped a sitter over the line at a crucial point which would have put them back in touch on the scoreboard. I thought the final scoreline flattered us and I didn't come away from that game thinking we had turned the corner by any means. Given our formline you'd have to say that Roosters win was an anomaly.

Barrett can talk it up all he likes, but we have been poor- average since the Sharkies win, if we are being really honest with ourselves.

 

[Technical Coach]

Seems I was right @mave @joeboy

http://m.nrl.com/were-in-a-hole-barrett-admits/tabid/10874/newsid/111248/default.aspx
"We're in a hole, to be fair, and down on confidence and probably lacking a fair bit of belief," Barrett said.

"How does it happen? If everyone had the answer to that you'd be a very successful coach and it's something I've got to work out and work out quite quickly as have the players.

"Our performance [was] very lacklustre considering what we had to play for.

"We got knocked around a little bit through those Dragons and the Storm games. Put a good half together against the Roosters and looked like we were on the way back. A good half the first half against the Tigers. Confidence is a funny thing. It comes and goes quite quickly. Who knows where it goes? But we've got to find it in a hurry."

Right about what, that the team is lacking confidence after so many big losses----"who would of thought"

It was the complacency and stagnation of development in the squad after the Cronulla game combined with injuries that had Manly ready to be exposed during those two games.(Zero to do with confidence at that period of time)

Too late now to overthink or analyze performance, just put your best foot forward, aggression and speed as a unit, attack in up tempo groupings and enjoy the grind/contest---enjoy the camaraderie after a win no matter how it comes not, enjoy winning in the easiest most flashy momentum swing ways.

If Manly can get that up tempo direct power game with offloads along with players pushing up with options for prolonged periods they can still match and blow teams away---but it has to be prolonged and continue through the grind of a game----not reliant on momentum swings.

Our defensive flaws will not be exposed and tested as often if Manly can prolong the up tempo straight power play---that doesn't mean one out stuff either.(Like the Tigers game first half----don't get caught in a false sense of "this is what worked" because of the scoreline)

 

[Snake]

Right about what, that the team is lacking confidence after so many big losses----"who would of thought"

It was the complacency and stagnation of development in the squad after the Cronulla game combined with injuries that had Manly ready to be exposed during those two games.(Zero to do with confidence at that period of time)

Too late now to overthink or analyze performance, just put your best foot forward, aggression and speed as a unit, attack in up tempo groupings and enjoy the grind/contest---enjoy the camaraderie after a win no matter how it comes not, enjoy winning in the easiest most flashy momentum swing ways.

If Manly can get that up tempo direct power game with offloads along with players pushing up with options for prolonged periods they can still match and blow teams away---but it has to be prolonged and continue through the grind of a game----not reliant on momentum swings.

Our defensive flaws will not be exposed and tested as often if Manly can prolong the up tempo straight power play---that doesn't mean one out stuff either.(Like the Tigers game first half----don't get caught in a false sense of "this is what worked" because of the scoreline)

Right about confidence being the reason we played poorly on Sunday. I never said it was the reason we lost against the Dragons and Melbourne, I said it's the reason we are in trouble now as a result of the hit our confidence took in those two big losses (can you read?)
People tipped us to win this game but we back pedalled in defence and I gave a reason why.

Look you can use all the fancy words you like, I don't believe you've ever coached past under 6s the way you talk...none of the coaches I rub shoulders with in the NRL talk the rubbish speak that comes out of your mouth.

The team is well coached and there is a decent crop of players but the mojo is lacking at the moment. You can waffle on about make believe technicalities but you're only lying to yourself because it's just garbage. Barrett is not some rugby league infant that is yet to discover the marvels that are your "keyboard game plan"...he knows that confidence is the issue and that's why he said it's hard to fix because it's not as simple as just implementing your "keyboard gameplay" to get us back to where we need to be.

 

[Moops]

Right about confidence being the reason we played poorly on Sunday. I never said it was the reason we lost against the Dragons and Melbourne, I said it's the reason we are in trouble now as a result of the hit our confidence took in those two big losses (can you read?)
People tipped us to win this game but we back pedalled in defence and I gave a reason why.

Look you can use all the fancy words you like, I don't believe you've ever coached past under 6s the way you talk...none of the coaches I rub shoulders with in the NRL talk the rubbish speak that comes out of your mouth.

The team is well coached and there is a decent crop of players but the mojo is lacking at the moment. You can waffle on about make believe technicalities but you're only lying to yourself because it's just garbage. Barrett is not some rugby league infant that is yet to discover the marvels that are your "keyboard game plan"...he knows that confidence is the issue and that's why he said it's hard to fix because it's not as simple as just implementing your "keyboard gameplay" to get us back to where we need to be.

Passive aggressive much? I don't really know why I used the word 'passive' to be honest? Let him have his opinion without your smartarse jibes about under 6's etc. How come he can't answer back at you without the personal rubbish?

'The coaches I rub shoulders with.' WTF!?

Um, ****, stink...Yours doesn't stink any better than ours! Rub shoulders with...LOL!

 

[HK_Eagle]

I personally really enjoy TC's input and perspective. I find it intelligent and adds a depth of perspective I'm not usually use to on a forum.

I don't feel the need to agree with everything he writes, but to be honest, nearly every post he does offer gets me thinking. I don't recall reading any of his posts and thinking that was rubbish, far-fetched or some other distracting agenda.

I also understand that other people will look at the game through different lenses that make more sense to them.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

I personally really enjoy TC's input and perspective. I find it intelligent and adds a depth of perspective I'm not usually use to on a forum.

I don't feel the need to agree with everything he writes, but to be honest, nearly every post he does offer gets me thinking. I don't recall reading any of his posts and thinking that was rubbish, far-fetched or some other distracting agenda.

I also understand that other people will look at the game through different lenses that make more sense to them.

Ditto I really enjoy @Technical Coach and his input.

I don't profess to know much at all.

Played junior footy but never at any great level so I don't come from any level of experience , so his knowledge is usually very interesting.

Keep up the good work TC

 

[Snake]

There have been times where I have agreed with things he has said and times where I haven't and that's fine, but...

He continually begins his replies to my posts and opinions (and has done for some time now) with particular scorn and/or sarcasm. He did it in this very thread, hence why I gave him some back. There was no need for his smart arse "who would have thought" comment and frankly I am losing patience with that sort of crap because it seems to rear it's ugly head when we are losing.

 

[Technical Coach]

Right about confidence being the reason we played poorly on Sunday. I never said it was the reason we lost against the Dragons and Melbourne, I said it's the reason we are in trouble now as a result of the hit our confidence took in those two big losses (can you read?)
People tipped us to win this game but we back pedalled in defence and I gave a reason why.

Look you can use all the fancy words you like, I don't believe you've ever coached past under 6s the way you talk...none of the coaches I rub shoulders with in the NRL talk the rubbish speak that comes out of your mouth.

The team is well coached and there is a decent crop of players but the mojo is lacking at the moment. You can waffle on about make believe technicalities but you're only lying to yourself because it's just garbage. Barrett is not some rugby league infant that is yet to discover the marvels that are your "keyboard game plan"...he knows that confidence is the issue and that's why he said it's hard to fix because it's not as simple as just implementing your "keyboard gameplay" to get us back to where we need to be.

The confidence didn't take a hit in those two games it was the entrenched complacency and not continuing to evolve as a team since the Cronulla game that was the main issue.

Now as the back end of the season and the wear of the grind is taking shape short bursts of momentum swinging points scoring is not enough to win games----off the back of this they have dug a hole and slipped back into bad habits from the start of the season and previous season.(lacking group intensity in attack and defence and application)

You keep harping on about "I'm not a real coach" like it matters in my life, (don't have to be an Ironstine to work out Technical Coach nicks posting in forums are probably not "presently" on the pay roll of any clubs in the "NRL")

Also wearing team official merchandise handed to you each year(because your parents contribute financially to the club)while walking past team officials/coaches of various clubs in a creepy stalking ("I've finally made it way") constitute "rubbing shoulders".

(please stop pausing the Foxtel coverage to spot yourself in the official seating allocations, taking a screenshot and post it as your facebook profile)

I've said from the outset i think Barrett is doing a great job, anyone here can back that up fool,----even applauded the decision during the changeover period from Toovey and stated my reasoning.

I don't chat like coaches because most coaches are still behind the 8ball in terms of "what makes a winning team from a structural technical standpoint".

It's only the last 4-5 years coaching is showing signs of becoming more on key in an overall sense----before this only 2-3 coaches in the competition were worthy of being seen as "Professional" most were still stuck with semi professional analysis and old outlooks of the game.

 

[Budgie]

The confidence didn't take a hit in those two games it was the entrenched complacency and not continuing to evolve as a team since the Cronulla game that was the main issue.

Now as the back end of the season and the wear of the grind is taking shape short bursts of momentum swinging points scoring is not enough to win games----off the back of this they have dug a hole and slipped back into bad habits from the start of the season and previous season.(lacking group intensity in attack and defence and application)

You keep harping on about "I'm not a real coach" like it matters in my life, (don't have to be an Ironstine to work out Technical Coach nicks posting in forums are probably not "presently" on the pay roll of any clubs in the "NRL")

Also wearing team official merchandise handed to you each year(because your parents contribute financially to the club)while walking past team officials/coaches of various clubs in a creepy stalking ("I've finally made it way") constitute "rubbing shoulders".

(please stop pausing the Foxtel coverage to spot yourself in the official seating allocations, taking a screenshot and post it as your facebook profile)

I've said from the outset i think Barrett is doing a great job, anyone here can back that up fool,----even applauded the decision during the changeover period from Toovey and stated my reasoning.

I don't chat like coaches because most coaches are still behind the 8ball in terms of "what makes a winning team from a structural technical standpoint".

It's only the last 4-5 years coaching is showing signs of becoming more on key in an overall sense----before this only 2-3 coaches in the competition were worthy of being seen as "Professional" most were still stuck with semi professional analysis and old outlooks of the game.

Mic drop

 

[Brocky]

hate to say it but our halves made their halves look great .... come to think of it !...

Hate to say it DCE is not a captain. Dies not have the presence about him

 

[Harvies elbow]

The confidence didn't take a hit in those two games it was the entrenched complacency and not continuing to evolve as a team since the Cronulla game that was the main issue.

Now as the back end of the season and the wear of the grind is taking shape short bursts of momentum swinging points scoring is not enough to win games----off the back of this they have dug a hole and slipped back into bad habits from the start of the season and previous season.(lacking group intensity in attack and defence and application)

You keep harping on about "I'm not a real coach" like it matters in my life, (don't have to be an Ironstine to work out Technical Coach nicks posting in forums are probably not "presently" on the pay roll of any clubs in the "NRL")

Also wearing team official merchandise handed to you each year(because your parents contribute financially to the club)while walking past team officials/coaches of various clubs in a creepy stalking ("I've finally made it way") constitute "rubbing shoulders".

(please stop pausing the Foxtel coverage to spot yourself in the official seating allocations, taking a screenshot and post it as your facebook profile)

I've said from the outset i think Barrett is doing a great job, anyone here can back that up fool,----even applauded the decision during the changeover period from Toovey and stated my reasoning.

I don't chat like coaches because most coaches are still behind the 8ball in terms of "what makes a winning team from a structural technical standpoint".

It's only the last 4-5 years coaching is showing signs of becoming more on key in an overall sense----before this only 2-3 coaches in the competition were worthy of being seen as "Professional" most were still stuck with semi professional analysis and old outlooks of the game.

Where do you reckon Dessie stands these days in the professional analysis stakes?
He would have been seen in the top 4-5 a few years ago but now I wouldn't be sure.
I'm sure his analysis is still as good but I think he's having trouble getting the players to respond ( lost the dressing room).
I know his halves are an issue but that side has only looked interested in playing once in the last half a season.
And that was last week.
Against us !!!

 

[mave]

Where do you reckon Dessie stands these days in the professional analysis stakes?
He would have been seen in the top 4-5 a few years ago but now I wouldn't be sure.
I'm sure his analysis is still as good but I think he's having trouble getting the players to respond ( lost the dressing room).
I know his halves are an issue but that side has only looked interested in playing once in the last half a season.
And that was last week.
Against us !!!

I agree, we did a great job of making the doggies look like world beaters.