I'm a realist and given the fact we will have a few players leaving either through retirement or for a different club what would you guys hold as acceptable. Say from 2014 - 2016? If we can manage to stay in the 8 or around the 8 I think the club will be wrapped. Hit this time period and hit the open market again with a major selling point to potential players. Don't want to get into the Parra situation of paying overs for ordinary players or having players decline to play for us.