What is going on in Schusters head?

[Fibro Eagle]

Well I'm glad tommy kept trying those cut out passes , His weren't that good going forward a lot in his early days .
Schuster will learn just as tommy has

 

[Kevinward777]

He’s at an age where many a young man thinks they’re so invincible that they crash their cars into trees and never see 21.

Man, that's one very fatalistic comparison.

 

[voicefromthehill]

He thinks like most 19 year olds, full of arrogance care free. Yes there's things he needs to improve but most of us here would have loved to have such talent at 19..or 20 or whatever he is...

But he wants the pay day of someone with better control of their talent. Again dont get me wrong, he is a talent, but you dont need to go all in every hand

 

[voicefromthehill]

Josh has so much natural skill and confidence that he goes in for the kill every play

The moral of the story
Experience at NRL level will Enhance his Excellence

Please write your reply in Haiku

 

[BOZO]

Please write your reply in Haiku

What is Haiku feathered friend ?

 

[Snake]

Sorry Snake but I think he was put into the halves, because of his natural talent as a ball player. It happened around the U16s stage and at times he was still used in the forwards even in U18s in rep sides.

Forget the size, just think in terms of his skill set. Far too extensive to be wasted in grunt work where he will have far fewer opportunities to use his natural abilities which I would suggest may become comparable to Cliff Lyons with a touch of Wally Lewis. In the forwards, he saps his energy with defensive and yard making requirements, roles better suited to those not requiring so much clever ball playing.

He's got a lot to learn but I suspect he is already one of the cleverest forwards in the game. In a ball playing role he would be even more lethal but those opportunities are less likely to shine in the forwards.

I think there is a tendency to stereotype players because of size. The adaptation of wingers to not only be tall and fast but big has become increasingly the norm. Yet some of the best forwards are quite small and stocky, compared to some backs. Cleal and Meninga were lethal as centres and both were bigger than Schuster even despite being in an earlier age when players were on average lighter. And yes I know Cleal played in the forwards also, but his potency in the centres made him valuable in that position. Miski was 100 kgs as a winger. Size is important, but the skill range is just as important, and utilising those skills is more important than how big he is. I think Des knows this about Josh and that's why he keeps saying he's a natural 6.

Just as an aside Saab is 10 Kgs, Tom Trbojevic is 102 kgs while Schuster is listed as 106 kgs. Should Saab and Turbo be in the forwards?

With all due respect, we've had this conversation ad nauseam with you referencing Cliff Lyons and Wally Lewis. I get that you see him as a 6 and you are entitled to that opinion. I don't think he can't play 6 and believe he could make a fist of it, I just don't think it'll benefit him or the team as much as having him on an edge.

 

[Bearfax]

With all due respect, we've had this conversation ad nauseam with you referencing Cliff Lyons and Wally Lewis. I get that you see him as a 6 and you are entitled to that opinion. I don't think he can't play 6 and believe he could make a fist of it, I just don't think it'll benefit him or the team as much as having him on an edge.

Snake I'm only trying to say that this kid who has just turned 20 has a talent that I believe we will love to see in future. I know I use the Cliff issue, quite a bit, but who was Cliff at 20 years old? Graded at Cronulla as a second rower at 20, and didnt get into first grade so he went country. Played overseas and for North Sydney aged 23 as a centre. Was not really considered much at that time, though I remember watching him and could see he had that Mark Ella touch and timing. I remember being excited when he came to Manly back in 1886, though it seemed it was almost as an after thought when Manly grabbed Mitchell Cox from the Bears. It actually surprised me when all the excitement was over Cox. Even then he played lock and though clever it wasn't until 1987, aged 25 that he started at 5/8 and the legend was finally born.

Why I'm describing this is because I followed his career from his North Sydney days and got a sense he was something special. But like Schuster he kept getting selected in positions, like centre, lock, second row that didn't suit his style of play. It was obvious he was a ball player, not a grunt player with skills. Now Schuster has made a name for himself well before Cliffy, and I can see the similarities in style. Like Lyons, he's the sort of player who needs to be in the centre of the action, the ball player. Yes he has some quite noticeable similarities to Cliff, and like Cliff his play requires others to read him. But like Cliff, his style can look amateurish, if others arent ready or he overplays a play

Now you may beg to differ, and that's OK. But I see this kid as potentially a star 5/8 and possibly potentially the best in that position in the game. In that sense he's ahead of even Cliffy at this stage of his career compared with Cliff at the same age.

 

[niccipops]

What is Haiku feathered friend ?

Old Japanese verse
Spoken with five, seven, five
Syllables in all

 

[Chip and Chase]

He has some mistakes in his game but most of the young players do. I think with experience he'll learn when to use the flashy stuff.
Schuster reminds me a little of Feleti Mateo. Both big bodies with playmaking ability who can play in the second row and in the halves.
Hopefully Josh has a better work ethic and fulfills his full potential to become the superstar he is capable of becoming.

That's not a bad comparison actually. Mateo at his best was one of the more skillful backrowers I've seen, just too much mediocre rubbish and laziness in between. Josh has that similar skill set but I think he has a more acute competitive edge and seems more engaged in his effort over the 80 minutes. He'll mature and learn, he's got a good mentor in Foz right there on his hip.

 

[BOZO]

Old Japanese verse
Spoken with five, seven, five
Syllables in all

Good morning and Thank you thoughtful and delightful niccipos

Silvertails could never be the same without your magnetic and majestic aura

Here is a Japanese verse back at you baby

Watashi wa Anata Aishteimasu

Have great day x

 

[Bearfax]

I sense we are starting to enter the Twilight Zone here. Japanese verse and rugby league. What a surreal twist. Bring it on

 

[nightster]

gifty didn't always throw a gift ... he is a creative player with far more +++ than - - -

 

[Eagles4Life]

Snake I'm only trying to say that this kid who has just turned 20 has a talent that I believe we will love to see in future. I know I use the Cliff issue, quite a bit, but who was Cliff at 20 years old? Graded at Cronulla as a second rower at 20, and didnt get into first grade so he went country. Played overseas and for North Sydney aged 23 as a centre. Was not really considered much at that time, though I remember watching him and could see he had that Mark Ella touch and timing. I remember being excited when he came to Manly back in 1886, though it seemed it was almost as an after thought when Manly grabbed Mitchell Cox from the Bears. It actually surprised me when all the excitement was over Cox. Even then he played lock and though clever it wasn't until 1987, aged 25 that he started at 5/8 and the legend was finally born.

Why I'm describing this is because I followed his career from his North Sydney days and got a sense he was something special. But like Schuster he kept getting selected in positions, like centre, lock, second row that didn't suit his style of play. It was obvious he was a ball player, not a grunt player with skills. Now Schuster has made a name for himself well before Cliffy, and I can see the similarities in style. Like Lyons, he's the sort of player who needs to be in the centre of the action, the ball player. Yes he has some quite noticeable similarities to Cliff, and like Cliff his play requires others to read him. But like Cliff, his style can look amateurish, if others arent ready or he overplays a play

Now you may beg to differ, and that's OK. But I see this kid as potentially a star 5/8 and possibly potentially the best in that position in the game. In that sense he's ahead of even Cliffy at this stage of his career compared with Cliff at the same age.

I think your right mate on the Schuster/Cliffy comparison. Imagine if Cliffy had been given an opportunity to develop his creative skills in first grade at the age of 20 like Schuster has. It will take time but Schuster has the potential to be a future Manly great. It's really about discipline and developing combinations for Josh now. He has all the skills already, and those skills obviously need refining, through effective one on one coaching. It would be great to see a specialist halves coach take him to the next level.

 

[Snake]

Snake I'm only trying to say that this kid who has just turned 20 has a talent that I believe we will love to see in future. I know I use the Cliff issue, quite a bit, but who was Cliff at 20 years old? Graded at Cronulla as a second rower at 20, and didnt get into first grade so he went country. Played overseas and for North Sydney aged 23 as a centre. Was not really considered much at that time, though I remember watching him and could see he had that Mark Ella touch and timing. I remember being excited when he came to Manly back in 1886, though it seemed it was almost as an after thought when Manly grabbed Mitchell Cox from the Bears. It actually surprised me when all the excitement was over Cox. Even then he played lock and though clever it wasn't until 1987, aged 25 that he started at 5/8 and the legend was finally born.

Why I'm describing this is because I followed his career from his North Sydney days and got a sense he was something special. But like Schuster he kept getting selected in positions, like centre, lock, second row that didn't suit his style of play. It was obvious he was a ball player, not a grunt player with skills. Now Schuster has made a name for himself well before Cliffy, and I can see the similarities in style. Like Lyons, he's the sort of player who needs to be in the centre of the action, the ball player. Yes he has some quite noticeable similarities to Cliff, and like Cliff his play requires others to read him. But like Cliff, his style can look amateurish, if others arent ready or he overplays a play

Now you may beg to differ, and that's OK. But I see this kid as potentially a star 5/8 and possibly potentially the best in that position in the game. In that sense he's ahead of even Cliffy at this stage of his career compared with Cliff at the same age.

I am not saying you are wrong and that I know for a fact he is not a half...you may in fact be right. Time will tell.

personally, I see more Ryan Matterson, Glenn Stewart and Wade Graham in him than Cliff Lyons. He has skill but I don’t think he is a natural half. That’s just me.

at the end of the day, neither of us know for certain what he is. His career will play out and that will be that.

 

[mickqld]

We must remember that Schu, The Turbos, Foz, Harper, Olak are all new combinations. They haven't played together at all so it will take time for them to develop the instinct plays with each other. But when they do get that time together then it will be something to watch. Let's hope by mid season it is really starting to click.

 

[BOZO]

I sense we are starting to enter the Twilight Zone here. Japanese verse and rugby league. What a surreal twist. Bring it on

Very funny @Bearfax ...
Never a dull moment on the Greatest forum of all Silvertails feathered friend
And great characters like your good self make it all happen on here

 

[BOZO]

THE MOST DANGEROUS ANIMAL ON THE FIELD
IS THE UNPREDICTABLE PREDATOR

 

[Bearfax]

I am not saying you are wrong and that I know for a fact he is not a half...you may in fact be right. Time will tell.

personally, I see more Ryan Matterson, Glenn Stewart and Wade Graham in him than Cliff Lyons. He has skill but I don’t think he is a natural half. That’s just me.

at the end of the day, neither of us know for certain what he is. His career will play out and that will be that.

I think he is far more clever that the three you mentioned.

I guess I come at it this way. I don't look much at the faults of young players on the rise. Faults we can be addressed, what we are good at is usually innate. When I look at a young player coming through, I accept that they will be flawed in various areas, including defence, mistakes, dropping the ball, bad decision making etc. But those are issues that can be addressed. Instead I look at what special skills they seem to exhibit and often its not that obvious.

Gutherson for example had flaws and injuries didn't help. But if you looked closely enough you could see innate skills that other players didn't have. I remember seeing it with Lyons at Norths, skills not being noticed, but there. Tom Wright was another example. Flawed yes, but obviously very clever. Just needed to be nurtured. Hastings another. Some players just have those extra skills that trigger a teams attacking potential.

What I have seen of Schuster is a skill set that suggests an outstanding player in the making. Flawed? Of course. Most young players have to address such issues as they developed.

I remember seeing it in cricket with Matt Hayden early on. Flawed and dismissed by many early on, but the skill was there and the result one of our very best cricketers. Phillip Hughes would have been one of our very best based on skills revealed had he lived.

What I'm saying is not to judge a player based on his flaws or being placed in a role that does not seem his best position, but separate your impressions at this stage and look at the range of skils he has. Flaws can be fixed, innate skills are just there and cant be taught.

Schuster has a skill set that suggests one of the very best 5/8s could be on the rise to have played the game. And I've watched the game since 1965 when we first saw a young Bobby Fulton appear. He wasnt great in his first year, but the skill set, said it all.

 

[BOZO]

I think he is far more clever that the three you mentioned.

I guess I come at it this way. I don't look much at the faults of young players on the rise. Faults we can be addressed, what we are good at is usually innate. When I look at a young player coming through, I accept that they will be flawed in various areas, including defence, mistakes, dropping the ball, bad decision making etc. But those are issues that can be addressed. Instead I look at what special skills they seem to exhibit and often its not that obvious.

Gutherson for example had flaws and injuries didn't help. But if you looked closely enough you could see innate skills that other players didn't have. I remember seeing it with Lyons at Norths, skills not being noticed, but there. Tom Wright was another example. Flawed yes, but obviously very clever. Just needed to be nurtured. Hastings another. Some players just have those extra skills that trigger a teams attacking potential.

What I have seen of Schuster is a skill set that suggests an outstanding player in the making. Flawed? Of course. Most young players have to address such issues as they developed.

I remember seeing it in cricket with Matt Hayden early on. Flawed and dismissed by many early on, but the skill was there and the result one of our very best cricketers. Phillip Hughes would have been one of our very best based on skills revealed had he lived.

What I'm saying is not to judge a player based on his flaws or being placed in a role that does not seem his best position, but separate your impressions at this stage and look at the range of skils he has. Flaws can be fixed, innate skills are just there and cant be taught.

Schuster has a skill set that suggests one of the very best 5/8s could be on the rise to have played the game. And I've watched the game since 1965 when we first saw a young Bobby Fulton appear. He wasnt great in his first year, but the skill set, said it all.

Very well executed post feathered friend !!!!

 

[Snake]

I think he is far more clever that the three you mentioned.

I guess I come at it this way. I don't look much at the faults of young players on the rise. Faults we can be addressed, what we are good at is usually innate. When I look at a young player coming through, I accept that they will be flawed in various areas, including defence, mistakes, dropping the ball, bad decision making etc. But those are issues that can be addressed. Instead I look at what special skills they seem to exhibit and often its not that obvious.

Gutherson for example had flaws and injuries didn't help. But if you looked closely enough you could see innate skills that other players didn't have. I remember seeing it with Lyons at Norths, skills not being noticed, but there. Tom Wright was another example. Flawed yes, but obviously very clever. Just needed to be nurtured. Hastings another. Some players just have those extra skills that trigger a teams attacking potential.

What I have seen of Schuster is a skill set that suggests an outstanding player in the making. Flawed? Of course. Most young players have to address such issues as they developed.

I remember seeing it in cricket with Matt Hayden early on. Flawed and dismissed by many early on, but the skill was there and the result one of our very best cricketers. Phillip Hughes would have been one of our very best based on skills revealed had he lived.

What I'm saying is not to judge a player based on his flaws or being placed in a role that does not seem his best position, but separate your impressions at this stage and look at the range of skils he has. Flaws can be fixed, innate skills are just there and cant be taught.

Schuster has a skill set that suggests one of the very best 5/8s could be on the rise to have played the game. And I've watched the game since 1965 when we first saw a young Bobby Fulton appear. He wasnt great in his first year, but the skill set, said it all.

It sounds like you are suggesting I am basing my opinion on Schuster’s errors. I’m certainly not. I couldn’t care less about his mistakes because I agree, he is just a kid.
For me personally, I try not let u/20s influence my opinion on a player too much. You get some idea but until they step into FG and show their wares, I take it all with a grain of salt. The number of players that have been world beaters in the juniors that have never even played a fg game is exhaustive.
Don’t feel that you need to convince me of his potential. I know him well and am a huge fan, I just like him in the back row.