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Brookie Bob

"I come back to you now at the turn of the tide"
Historical perspective:

Souths: won premierships in 1908, 1909, 1914, 1918, 1925, 1926, 1927, 1928, 1929, 1931, 1932, 1950, 1951, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1967, 1968, 1970, 1971, 2014. Late 20's to early 30's - great team, also early 50's and late 60's. From 1972 to 2010 (almost 40 years) - mostly crap, also-rans till Crowe and Co got on board, especially with the Burgess Bros recruitment. Always going on about how many titles they have won, but have only won one GF in the last 50 years.

St George: won premierships 1941, 1949, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1977, 1979 - and again in 2010 as St George Illawawarra. Record run from 1956 to 1966; two wins in the 1970's. One title only - as a merged entity - in the last 40 years. Now - rubbish.

Canterbury: won premierships in 1938, 1942, 1980, 1984, 1985, 1988, 1995, 2004. Four premierships in the 1980's; one in the 1990's....one in the early 2000's. Now - rubbish.

Eastern Suburbs: won premierships in 1911, 1912, 1913, 1923, 1935, 1936, 1937, 1940, 1945, 1974, 1975, 2002, 2013, 2018, 2019. Good from 1935 to 1945, then zip till the 1970's. Been rising since 2010 or so off the back of Nick Polites and his $$ and connections.

Other current Sydney teams:
Tigers: repeating a cycle of failure. One premiership as a merged entity.
Sharks: won once since 1967.
Eels : won 4 times in the 1980's, now repeating a cyclical rise and fall. 37 years since their last premiership.

Panthers: won premierships in 1991, 2003, 2021, 2022. Looking the goods for 2023. Were almost a laughing stock from 1967 to the late 1980's. Now the mecca for Polynesian migrants with rugby league talent it seems, as well as a network of clubs and gambling / entertainment $$.

I'm not going to go through Manly's history, as it should be imprinted on all of our sausage-roll eating collective consciousness. WE have a great history.

My point?

Today's NRL structure only leaves room for 3 to 4 Sydney clubs to really shine nationally , as cherry-picking of resources between over-congested RL Sydney market (in terms of total teams) is a zero-sum game of winners and losers.

Till the comp expanded in the late 1980's , Manly really didn't get major success till (a) the St George bubble burst, and (b) Souths also fell by the wayside. Then - combine Arko's brilliance in the head office with Fulton on the field, add Eadie, Randall, etc - ...= 4 premierships in the 1970's.

Parramatta and Canterbury had their best years in the 1980's, but have never really been the same again after Brisbane, Canberra and Newcastle (and Warriors) entered the comp.

Today - quasi-national comp, talent moving from club to club, state to state, country to country. Only two to three Sydney teams have been consistently performing over the last 10 years: Roosters, Panthers, Bunnies.

Roosters & Bunnies: almost sharing the same 'corporate' strategy , more or less.
Panthers: huge production line of junior talent, good at picking / keeping who they want, finally have a decent coach ( a Manly junior, no less - the irony...........).

Do we try and copy the strategy of 'successful' Sydney teams - or can we forge a different way? We can't copy Penrith - can't replicate the demographics. However - a visionary owner with deep pockets and a huge love of the Sea Eagles - one who wants to 'out-Polites' the Roosters and 'out-Crowe' the Bunnies may work.

'Cause it may be that to win the national competition, being the best team in Sydney may have to be the first step..................if you're a Sydney team.
 

Thewestisbest

Reserve Grader
You'd have a point if he was a coach who didn't drop players or promote unknowns from reserve grade to reward them for effort, but Seibold, whatever his failings (and we all have em) has shown he does do those things.
So no problem with him being proud when the payers do make a big effort.
I'd rather he was proud of the consistency that the team shows the competition each and every week in getting better. They are well paid professional athletes, which means the coach should be able to draw out a big effort from his players each time they run out.
 

Thewestisbest

Reserve Grader
I re

I would say Burbo is therebecause he can cover both as a forward and as a centre, as for Woods, our front rowers have been decimated with injuries
Wake up! Shazza Woods has been a mainstay for weeks now, regularly picked ahead of several other forwards before our injuries hit. People need to stop making excuses for the Spoonman's selections.
 

Ryan

Journey Man
Sad that we've only won 4 put of our last 14. Won 9 of our last 28. And the trend is actually worsening. Siebold should start thinking about how he defends his position at his end of season assessment !

Particularly given the owner and CEO claims we are in a premiership window , and it's a premiership squad (yet will likely finish bottom 4).

Honestly, we need to shed players. And I'd include players some of you guys would be horrified to lose.

The Broncos had to do it. We have to do it.
 

XV-1

First Grader
Sad that we've only won 4 put of our last 14. Won 9 of our last 28. And the trend is actually worsening. Siebold should start thinking about how he defends his position at his end of season assessment !

Particularly given the owner and CEO claims we are in a premiership window , and it's a premiership squad (yet will likely finish bottom 4).

Honestly, we need to shed players. And I'd include players some of you guys would be horrified to lose.

The Broncos had to do it. We have to do it.

Penn is talking about NSW cup premiership window.
We have now signed a lot of excellent reserve grade players that are not good enough for first grade.
Seibs is proud as punch in giving all the players Moses manages a home.
 

Wombat64

Game day lubrication specialist
Premium Member
Tipping Member
I don't know for sure if he's a good or bad coach? My gut tells me he's probably a dud and just an uglier Trent Barrett. With the players we have and those that are currently confirmed as coming I don't think Seibold has it in him to do much better. It is not all his fault we just don't have the depth or quality around our "stars" to be competitive. However, under the "results driven business" mantra I believe he'll be gone by mid May next season and then the ground hog day like circus around our coach will start again.Our stupid owner will change coaches again for the quick fix but until Penn is gone and we get someone to make some tough decision around our playing squad the decade of disappointment will continue. Given our recruitment strategy from the Tigers I won't be surprised if we end up with Tim Sheens and Benji coaching us. Then the Tigerisation of the squad and complete transference of their losing culture will be complete.
 
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Waz13

Let’s all have a chew!
But people are saying no-one should be frustrated, upset, disappointed or angry at loss XYZ, because no-one expected us to win? Pretty sure you liked some of those comments, too mate.

It's really mixed signals from the positive core tbh.

if we are a 50/50 of winning this weekend (as you claim), care to place a $100 bet on our game against The Warriors? I'm down if you are.
Well Sportsbet has us as rank outsiders so no chance of any bets (and remember to please gamble responsibly @Ryan). I think most feel a win is highly unlikely here, but most also thought a 50 pt drubbing was on the cards last week as well. My point was more that the team can be unpredictable.

In relation to liking posts. Mate I like a million posts on this forum. Sometimes due to a well written piece I may not even agree with. I like the fact someone has gone to the effort to put their view out there. May even have liked a few of yours based on this.

Not sure re positive core comment, but more broadly I try to sit in this space, as it ain’t much fun being negative. Most here know the limitations of the club but no doubt are tired of complaining about it. Perhaps that’s just me.

Have a good one @Ryan
 

Pete W

Bencher
Historical perspective:

Souths: won premierships in 1908, 1909, 1914, 1918, 1925, 1926, 1927, 1928, 1929, 1931, 1932, 1950, 1951, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1967, 1968, 1970, 1971, 2014. Late 20's to early 30's - great team, also early 50's and late 60's. From 1972 to 2010 (almost 40 years) - mostly crap, also-rans till Crowe and Co got on board, especially with the Burgess Bros recruitment. Always going on about how many titles they have won, but have only won one GF in the last 50 years.

St George: won premierships 1941, 1949, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1977, 1979 - and again in 2010 as St George Illawawarra. Record run from 1956 to 1966; two wins in the 1970's. One title only - as a merged entity - in the last 40 years. Now - rubbish.

Canterbury: won premierships in 1938, 1942, 1980, 1984, 1985, 1988, 1995, 2004. Four premierships in the 1980's; one in the 1990's....one in the early 2000's. Now - rubbish.

Eastern Suburbs: won premierships in 1911, 1912, 1913, 1923, 1935, 1936, 1937, 1940, 1945, 1974, 1975, 2002, 2013, 2018, 2019. Good from 1935 to 1945, then zip till the 1970's. Been rising since 2010 or so off the back of Nick Polites and his $$ and connections.

Other current Sydney teams:
Tigers: repeating a cycle of failure. One premiership as a merged entity.
Sharks: won once since 1967.
Eels : won 4 times in the 1980's, now repeating a cyclical rise and fall. 37 years since their last premiership.

Panthers: won premierships in 1991, 2003, 2021, 2022. Looking the goods for 2023. Were almost a laughing stock from 1967 to the late 1980's. Now the mecca for Polynesian migrants with rugby league talent it seems, as well as a network of clubs and gambling / entertainment $$.

I'm not going to go through Manly's history, as it should be imprinted on all of our sausage-roll eating collective consciousness. WE have a great history.

My point?

Today's NRL structure only leaves room for 3 to 4 Sydney clubs to really shine nationally , as cherry-picking of resources between over-congested RL Sydney market (in terms of total teams) is a zero-sum game of winners and losers.

Till the comp expanded in the late 1980's , Manly really didn't get major success till (a) the St George bubble burst, and (b) Souths also fell by the wayside. Then - combine Arko's brilliance in the head office with Fulton on the field, add Eadie, Randall, etc - ...= 4 premierships in the 1970's.

Parramatta and Canterbury had their best years in the 1980's, but have never really been the same again after Brisbane, Canberra and Newcastle (and Warriors) entered the comp.

Today - quasi-national comp, talent moving from club to club, state to state, country to country. Only two to three Sydney teams have been consistently performing over the last 10 years: Roosters, Panthers, Bunnies.

Roosters & Bunnies: almost sharing the same 'corporate' strategy , more or less.
Panthers: huge production line of junior talent, good at picking / keeping who they want, finally have a decent coach ( a Manly junior, no less - the irony...........).

Do we try and copy the strategy of 'successful' Sydney teams - or can we forge a different way? We can't copy Penrith - can't replicate the demographics. However - a visionary owner with deep pockets and a huge love of the Sea Eagles - one who wants to 'out-Polites' the Roosters and 'out-Crowe' the Bunnies may work.

'Cause it may be that to win the national competition, being the best team in Sydney may have to be the first step..................if you're a Sydney team.
Also makes Hasler's years of dominance after Northern Eagles collapse all the more remarkable
 

Waz13

Let’s all have a chew!
I don't know for sure if he's a good or bad coach? My gut tells me he's probably a dud and just an uglier Trent Barrett. With the players we have and those that are currently confirmed as coming I don't think Seibold has it in him to do much better. It is not all his fault we just don't have the depth or quality around our "stars" to be competitive. However, under the "results driven business" mantra I believe he'll be gone by mid May next season and then the ground hog day like circus around our coach will start again.Our stupid owner will change coaches again for the quick fix but until Penn is gone and we get someone to make some tough decision around our playing squad the decade of disappointment will continue. Given our recruitment strategy from the Tigers I won't be surprised if we end up with Tim Sheens and Benji coaching us. Then the Tigerisation of the squad and complete transference of their losing culture will be complete.
I think he’ll get all of next season, unless we start really really badly.
 

manly al

First Grader
Haven 't heard any suggestions of a new assistant coach or maybe i have been missing something
Have some concerns that Siebs occasionally has the same or similar issues as Des with having the side playing too conservative a brand of footy and too much emphasis on one out plays and limited options . The age of the big men dominating the ruck and trying to gain an advantage against the modern array of more mobile and agile forwards area are long gone .
Let alone the more limited opportunities on offer then to outside backs like Koula , Saab , Garrick and obviously Turbo when he is available, match fit and properly motivated .
Would probably rate Siebold "s scorecard this season so far in the 50 / 50 category , hopefully a more upward projectory can be forthcoming .
Guess that he is going to need the right cattle available for a good part of next season to help matters also
 

Disco

First Grader
Premium Member
This is how pathetic Manly has been. Look at the 4 teams from 5th to 8th.
Sharks
Raiders
Knights
Rabbitohs.
What a load of rubbish those 4 teams have been.
NRL is a total joke.
Disagree, NRL is one of the more competitive leagues going round atm.

With the majority of teams so closely matched it means teams like the above four can look great but if they are 10% off look poor...very poor.

Much better than having a dominant top 8 and a lacklustre bottom 9
 

Ryan

Journey Man
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mickqld

Sea Eagle forever
Tipping Member
Sad that we've only won 4 put of our last 14. Won 9 of our last 28. And the trend is actually worsening. Siebold should start thinking about how he defends his position at his end of season assessment !

Particularly given the owner and CEO claims we are in a premiership window , and it's a premiership squad (yet will likely finish bottom 4).

Honestly, we need to shed players. And I'd include players some of you guys would be horrified to lose.

The Broncos had to do it. We have to do it.
Who would you shed @Ryan ?
I'd unload
Parker
Harper
Vaega
Woods
Lawton
Johns
Arthur
Aloiai
Condon
Boyle
Roache

On their last chance in 2024
Keppie
Tuipolutu
Sipley
Saab
Ben T
Schuster
Tom T
Tuilagi
 

Ryan

Journey Man
Who would you shed @Ryan ?
I'd unload
Parker
Harper
Vaega
Woods
Lawton
Johns
Arthur
Aloiai
Condon
Boyle
Roache

On their last chance in 2024
Keppie
Tuipolutu
Sipley
Saab
Ben T
Schuster
Tom T
Tuilagi

Released:
Brad Parker (mainly due to ongoing concussions)
Cooper Johns (we have Humphreys and Arthur in the system)
Latu Fainu (already gone)
Morgan Harper (we have Garrick, Koula & Talau as support)
Ray Vaega (is not 1st grade standard, plus we need speed)
Aaron Woods (retire already - 0 impact, and already have an abundance of plonks)
Ben Condon (Isn't 1st grade standard - gets pumped in NSW Cup - another plonker)
Dean Matterson (tougher one, but let's be real - he make Panthers / Broncs / Storm teams?)
Kelma Tuilagi (soft as butter, 0 impact, another dead set plonker)
Lachlan Croker (AWESOME attitude, great player - but NOT a specialist Hooker)
Morgan Boyle (what an absolute waste of resources, time and effort with this bloke)
Samuela Fainu (already gone)
Zac Fulton (tougher one, but let's be real - he make Panthers / Broncs / Storm teams?)
 

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