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Union scouts prey on Toyota Cup

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Berkeley_Eagle, Aug 16, 2008.

  1. Berkeley_Eagle

    Berkeley_Eagle Current Status: 24/7 Manly Fan

    +2,125 /14
    Union scouts prey on Toyota Cup

    By Josh Massoud | August 16, 2008

    RUGBY union has seized on a new avenue to decimate the NRL, with cross-code scouts preying on scores of Under-20s players who will be ineligible for next season's Toyota Cup. In a chilling statement for league powerbrokers, ARU high performance manager David Nucifora last night revealed rugby is about to exploit the fact 152 of this year's Toyota Cup stars - almost half the field - will be too old to play in the 2009 National Youth League (NYC).
    Nucifora confirmed the ARU had anticipated the upcoming flood of unaccommodated junior league stars, and has been watching the talent closely all season.
    "We're very aware that they can't house everyone once they are over the age limit," he said.
    "If there's not the succession planning to find them a home in league, then they've got to end up somewhere.
    "We've been watching lots of talented boys running around in the NYC.
    "We've got Michael O'Connor to identify talent - he's always watching the NYC with an eye to who would do well in rugby."
    Players who are too old for the NYC and not offered an NRL contract would normally filter through to the NSW Cup.
    But that pathway eroded dramatically this week, with news that Manly and Newcastle intend to withdraw their feeder sides from the all-age competition in 2009. Both clubs are expected to link with Queensland Cup sides, meaning more young NSW players will be forced interstate if they wish to continue in rugby league.
    "The NYC has some very good advantages in that it allows players to compete at a national level at a very young age," Nucifora said.
    "The obvious negative is that they can't all be given contracts in the NRL. Those that don't will look at options, and given what's happened recently, rugby union is definitely an option."
    Leading NRL recruitment managers and player agents confirmed sightings of ARU-affiliated scouts at Toyota Cup matches.
    Bulldogs recruitment head Peter Mulholland has 13 NYC players who turn 21 next year, but can only graduate eight to the club's NSW Cup side.
    "Rugby is taking a big interest in the players that will fall between the cracks - I know for a fact their people are watching all the NYC games," he said.
    Player agent Sam Ayoub said today's NYC stars could only expect to earn between $3000 and $8000 in the NSW Cup.
    "They have to train four days a week, and play on the weekend," Ayoub said.
    "Some are asking whether it would be better off going back to the workforce or giving rugby union a try."
    Ayoub slammed the NRL for not implementing "success- ion planning".
    "They are making the same mistake everyone in rugby league has accused rugby union of doing for the last 10 years," he said.
    "They are taking away a career pathway for more and more players to reach the top level."
    Backing Nucifora's warning, Ayoub revealed three Sydney-based rugby clubs had contacted him in the past week to inquire about available league stars.
    Nucifora said he had no misgivings about cherrypicking players that the rival code had developed.
    "They've had a taste of high-level football in the NYC and it's natural for them to want to be given the opportunity to continue to do that," he said.
    "Guys like Berrick Barnes have gone over to league and had a taste and got some development over there.
    "Now they are back in rugby, and I'd like to think their success might make a few others think about doing the same."
  2. Duff

    Duff Well-Known Member

    +631 /12
    Yep. That's what was always going to happen.

    What was ever wrong with having a proper reserve grade ?
  3. Jethro

    Jethro This space is for rent Staff Member Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +2,307 /13
    Beats me. It always seemed to work before & I could see this coming when they announced the NYC. They should have just left things the way they were. As the old saying goes "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
  4. DSM5

    DSM5 Well-Known Member

    +516 /0
    Typical of a Gallop led, media driven game.  I liked seeing the reserves running around.  Nothing wrong with it.  Sure the youth thing is OK but surely club administrators would have seen that after a kid turns twenty, being shunted into a mid week game that no-one sees is going to be horrible.
  5. missing_something

    missing_something Active Member

    +0 /0
    Hopefully QLD cup turns into a really high class 2nd teir comp - it looks like thats what Manly are betting on in anycase.
  6. Canteen Worker

    Canteen Worker Well-Known Member

    +215 /5
    Statistics show though that the majority of players who don't make the top 25 before 23 don't make it. There are exceptions though and that is the consequence of stupid decisions by the clubs. Club Rugby will get stronger and the next tier down from NRL will get weaker.

    Gallop and his cronies are ruining the fabric and ehos of the game.
  7. clontaago

    clontaago Well-Known Member

    +170 /1
    Any NYC player already worth any sort of coin has already been signed to a contract.

    Let Union have the Sam Harris' of the NYC... Who cares.
  8. Guest

    Guest Guest

    +0 /0
    Make the toyota cup under 23 and anyone who doesn't make Fg by then can go play with the marlins.
  9. Kiwi Eagle

    Kiwi Eagle Moderator Staff Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +3,866 /65
    Am getting sick of all this league is dying garbage

    Union scouts have been going to under age league carnavils for years, as have the League scouts to the Rugby ones

    NYC is basically an upgraded jersey flegg, and Darren put up a list a month or 2 back, showing how many players have made it, from the top sides of the recent past, and it was bugger all
  10. Darren

    Darren Well-Known Member

    +560 /20
    gday kiwi, that list, yes, I was stunned, just around 15-20!! the top teams like parra, panthers illawarra's didn't have a huge amount,
  11. Corso_Pete

    Corso_Pete Well-Known Member Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +46 /0
    Totally agree

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