[Resurrected] Turbo injury,healt..wait..injury - updates

What round will Turbo return

  • Round 5

    Votes: 10 10.2%
  • Round 6

    Votes: 25 25.5%
  • Round 7

    Votes: 9 9.2%
  • Round 8

    Votes: 9 9.2%
  • Round 9

    Votes: 10 10.2%
  • Round 10

    Votes: 3 3.1%
  • Round 11 or later - too fricken late

    Votes: 34 34.7%

  • Total voters
    98
How the fk can a bloke be available for SOO selection, yet not available the following weekend for his club.

That's what I would like to know.

If you had the opportunity to earn an additional $50,000 (pre-tax), I'm sure you'd make yourself available for selection.

Money removes all manner of emotion but it sure shows someone's intent/position in a transaction.
 
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What are the odds of a medical retirement if he keeps it up?
If it were head knocks, he would have been retired long ago. We have too much money tied up in his contract and rely too much on him when he is actually fit and on the field. However, it MUST be seriously close to making a tough decision on him.
 
How do we cut them? They have.a contract and no one else would take them for what we are paying them and we'd still have to pay them heaps and we still wouldn't be able to recruit anyone decent. I'll admit they have limitations and are being paid overs but outside of us fans they are the Manly heart in this club and take them out and I really don't know what is left? Just a bunch of mercenaries wearing a manly jersey that don't really give a fcck. One more season and if they haven'r retired then any new contract and they should be on will fair market value......
That’s easy, just come out and say their contracts won’t be renewed and they are free to negotiate with other clubs instead off allowing them to take the piss.
They are not the heart beat of the club and no players should be ever treated bigger than the club like they are and let also mentions there has been recent much bigger names that didn’t have that self worth over the club.
Needs to end, Finito La Musica!!
 
Writing this from the lovely country of cheese and onion pizza. I may have mentioned 4-5 years ago that manly will never win a comp with the turbo jurbo $ce combo. All the last 5 years of false hope are now laid bare and it will become a fact.

I wish the club well, and just hope we do not get the spoon while they are all here. Game changed, manly did not. Maybe we are a hope in 2027. We will not win until all 3 are gone and that is sad

But…good to see you still here mark. Shame about that soup offal it reminds me of Kevin ward.

Eagles may fly but soaring to glory will take more than a turbo boost.

Thanks for reading cya next year, or not.
 
That’s right, Watmough had to go to Parra to have it done😂
Choc's was the dodgiest retirement in the history of medical retirements. It was as if Parramatta had signed the 24 yo version of Anthony and not the old busted guy who had a bunch of pre existing injuries. Man, the NRL was corrupt under Greenberg. It still is but Todd didn't even try to hide it.
 
There is absolutely no prospect of a medical retirement for Turbo because, after all, he recovers each time. He certainly seems to have a rather chronic tendency towards injury, but no actual chronic injury. Both he and we will have to keep hoping for good health!
 
Geez, if he was a race horse he would have been given a lead aspirin ages ago

I've never heard that saying before.

which would be fine if I was 12.

But I'm 212 yrs old and thought I heard everything.

I mean once choc was given a medical retirement when 'playing' for Parra and now after gus was totally not chasing Galvin.... now I've heard it all.
 
This was from nrl physio some years ago....Simply...don't be a Manly player.

(I'd forgotten the rort that was GI and Sam Burgess)

Medical retirements in the NRL

‪Will look at each player’s reported injury history + circumstances leading up to retirement (apologies for lengthy post)‬.

‪Summary of the reported medical retirements since the new insurance scheme was implemented by the NRL in July 2014:‬

Steve Matai
(neck/shoulder) - Denied, included in salary cap
Brett Stewart (knee) - Denied, included in salary cap
Anthony Watmough (knee) - Approved by the NRL, not included in salary cap. But claim initially denied by insurance company (QBE)
Kyle Stanley (knee) - No report on NRL decision, but approved by insurance
Dylan Farrell (back) - Approved, not included in salary cap
Kade Snowden (neck/back) - Approved, not included in salary cap
James McManus (concussion) - Approved, not included in salary cap
Ben Matulino (knee) - Approved, not included in salary cap
Sam Burgess (shoulder) - Approved, not included in salary cap
Matt Gillett (shoulder) - Approved, not included in salary cap

‪Exact NRL criteria for medical retirement:‬
‪"Player had no similar injury or medical condition to that area of the body that either has or could reasonably be predicted medically to lead to a degenerative condition of that area of the body prior to signing his last NRL contract"‬
‪Important to note; payout of salary to player is negotiated between club and insurance company, is completely separate from the NRL and their decision. If NRL approves medical retirement insurance company can still deny; means club has to payout salary but exempt from cap‬

‪Steve Matai
‪2007 - Suffers “bulging disc” in neck, restricted to 11 games. Post season surgery to repair cartilage tear/cyst in shoulder + treat neck‬
‪2008 - Has post season shoulder (floating bone) & neck surgery‬
‪2009 - Scans confirm “nerve damage” in neck‬
2014 - Reported that the disc space between C5-6 (neck vertebrae) is “too small for nerve to pass through” despite surgery in 2008, reason he is prone to burners‬
‪2016 - Battles ongoing neck injury until mid-season surgery, misses rest of season‬
‪2017 - Matai retires‬
‪Brett Stewart
‪2007 & 2009 - 2 separate surgeries on right knee for meniscus damage +/- chondral lesions, 3-5 months recovery each time‬
‪2010 - Undergoes osteotomy on left knee after cartilage damage (meniscus + chondral lesions), misses all but 1 game (6+ months recovery)‬
Note: Osteotomy is an operation where bone is cut and removed/graft put in to realign knee, attempt to relieve pressure. Stewart was the first NRL player to return after an osteotomy, not performed commonly in professional sport. Usually indicates presence of early stage osteoarthritis‬
2011 - Stewart misses time after knee injury during “Battle of Brookvale”, also out of post season 4 Nations & was in doubt for 2012 WCC‬
‪2016 - Misses 2nd half of season after surgery to “clean out” a chronic knee injury‬
‪2017 - Drs unable to clear him for a return, retires‬
‪Anthony Watmough
‪2014 - Signs with Eels, says hasn’t been at his best for 2-3 years due to “niggling knee injury”‬
‪2015 - Required weekly painkilling injections in knee, July undergoes surgery to repair torn MCL in left knee. Said to have been playing with torn MCL for “years”‬. Significant struggles with post surgery rehab in 2016 preseason, had to “learn to run again”. Medical staff say ongoing symptoms are from muscle weakness/fatigue as a result of playing through MCL injury for so long
2016 - Watmough has pre-season collision with Beau Scott that causes left knee hyperextension, suffers “medial injury” + “bone started chipping away”. Club Drs + independent Dr agreed Scott hit led to career-ending injury. Watmough announces medical retirement, approved by NRL‬.
Came to paying out Watmough’s salary, insurer QBE initially denied claim saying retirement a result of “symptomatic, pre-existing degenerative changes” to left knee. Notes from club Physio showed Watmough had ongoing symptoms/disability in knee + injections prior to games‬
2018 - The Eels take legal action against insurer QBE to Supreme Court for refused payout to Watmough. QBE reportedly eventually agrees to pay 50% of contract, Eels to pay other 50%
Kyle Stanley
Pre 2012 - Ruptures left ACL twice
2012 - Ruptures ACL in right knee. 4 months later re-ruptures right ACL after slipping on wet surface
2015 - Suffers 5th ACL rupture, retires end of season. Insurance pays out 10 months later
‪Dylan Farrell
‪2015 - Suffers “complex and ongoing” back injury mid season, attempts to play through for the rest of the season but becomes extremely limited. Forced to retire.
2017 - Last report in June of 2017 he was yet to receive insurance payout‬
‪Kade Snowden
‪2011 - Dealing with “bulging discs” in neck and lower back early in the season, misses a month but plays rest of the season. On transfer to the Knights considers surgery but opts for rehab instead‬
2015 - Suffers whiplash injury which aggravates disc injury in neck‬
2016 - Snowden only manages to play opening round, then a number of injuries (primarily his neck) force him to retire. Announced mid season‬
‪James McManus‬
‪2012- 2015 - Suffered a series of head knocks/concussions, culminating in 2nd concussion of 2015 that required ambulance transfer to hospital. Doesn’t play NRL again‬
‪Announces retirement in 2016, legal case ongoing with the Knights‬
‪Ben Matulino‬
‪2014 - Undergoes minor right knee surgery to “tidy up cartilage”‬
‪2016 - Another minor right knee surgery post season to “tidy up niggling injury”‬
‪2017 - Suffers left knee injury at training, undergoes surgery. Contracts post op infection, requires 4+ month recovery.‬
On transfer to Tigers admits knees need ongoing rehab, “has 2 knees that need a bit of TLC”‬
‪2018 - Misses time due to “chronic knee injury”‬
‪2019 - Suffers “serious knee injury” in Rd14 (? which knee), unable to return to training. Forces retirement‬
Sam Burgess‬
‪2010-2011 - Undergoes 2 left shoulder reconstructions in 2 years‬
‪2018 - Post season minor left shoulder surgery‬
‪2019 - Suffers left shoulder injury in Rd5, plays through til Rd13 then undergoes “clean out” surgical procedure (removal of loose bodies/scar tissue)‬
2019 - Also word Burgess received stem cell injections (usually used in attempt to treat cartilage injury). Post surgical infection discovered (from most recent surgery). Reportedly has 25% of bone (cartilage) left in shoulder (accelerated by infection?), results in retirement‬
‪Matt Gillett‬
‪2012 - Right shoulder reconstruction surgery‬
‪2018 - 2nd right shoulder reconstruction‬
‪2019 - Suffers right shoulder injury in Rd23, finishes season then scans reveal serious nature of damage. Considered career ending injury, forces retirement‬
Note: Greg Inglis was not medically retired. His injuries were not considered career ending but he “could no longer perform to his own standards”.
GI gave up remaining value of playing contract. Salary for new off-field role was included in Rabbitohs cap
‪Overall this is a complex process that isn’t isolated to the NRL; exists in other pro sports & everyday workplace. Also similar considerations; when at work accidents/injuries occur the presence of pre-exisiting/chronic conditions can complicate ability to obtain benefits/damages‬
 
That’s easy, just come out and say their contracts won’t be renewed and they are free to negotiate with other clubs instead off allowing them to take the piss.
They are not the heart beat of the club and no players should be ever treated bigger than the club like they are and let also mentions there has been recent much bigger names that didn’t have that self worth over the club.
Needs to end, Finito La Musica!!
And most would just end up roaming around the reserve grade comp collecting thier contract money, just like Jackson Hastings at the Knights.
 
I don't know the finer details but:

Ash Taylor was medically retired, yet he's up here in Toowoomba playing for Oakey 🤷🏻‍♂️
Not sure how it really applies or applied but thought that the pay out amount was just deducted from a club's cap and then to sign a player or players on a similar amount for the previous contract time frame ,
Club had to cough up the funds aside from the standard N R L allocation and as far as future affected player returning to the game , no idea
Does seem a bit of an anomaly if a player can resume playing the game again at whatever level , once medically retired from the N R L though
 

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