Time to Stop Lying to Ourselves – Manly Needs a Full Reset

Bomb Voyage

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This club needs a reset. Not a tweak. Not a new assistant coach or a shiny signing. A reset. From the ground up. Because right now, Manly doesn’t know what it is. One week we throw the ball around like it’s a trial match, next week they’re grinding through a 10-8 slog. There’s no identity. No backbone. No real standard being lived out week to week.

The first thing that needs to be done is to get the right people in the room. Football people. Not board members, not sponsors, not marketing reps. Coaches. Recruiters. Junior development staff. Anyone whose job it is to build footballers. And ask one question: What does a Manly footballer look like? Because if you can’t answer that, you’ve got no business running a rugby league club. Once you know that, every decision flows from it.

Then we fix the pathways. Manly used to produce tough, smart, club-first kids. Not anymore. That pipeline’s dried up. You’ve got to invest in junior programs, build coaching continuity from Harold Matts to Cup, and give young players a reason to stay loyal. The Northern Beaches should be your factory. Right now, it’s barely a backyard shed. That needs to change.

Recruitment needs to be smarter. No more panic buys. No more “mate of a mate” signings, looking at you Isaac. No more washed up old front rowers or money ball signings. You don’t build a team by collecting names. You build it by identifying blokes who fit your identity and make others around them better. I’d rather three six-out-of-ten players who know their role than one nine-out-of-ten hero who’s not interested in digging in on tackle four. Build the middle third, get your spine settled, and stop plugging holes with random signings who don't fix your real issues.

And for God’s sake, we need to set standards. Not slogans like 'The Manly Way'. Standards. You train a certain way. You compete a certain way. You carry yourself a certain way because you’re wearing that jersey. Right now, too many blokes in that side look like they’re happy just being there. That’s not first grade. That’s entitlement. It doesn't help that the coach doesn't drop players for poor performances. You don't win games on history or potential, you win them on effort, discipline, and doing your job for the bloke next to you.

The club can turn around. But only if it’s honest with itself. No more papering over the cracks with a Turbo highlights reel. No more PR spin. You fix this thing by building strong foundations, holding people accountable, and actually standing for something again.

And when that happens? Then the rest takes care of itself.
 
This club needs a reset. Not a tweak. Not a new assistant coach or a shiny signing. A reset. From the ground up. Because right now, Manly doesn’t know what it is. One week we throw the ball around like it’s a trial match, next week they’re grinding through a 10-8 slog. There’s no identity. No backbone. No real standard being lived out week to week.

The first thing that needs to be done is to get the right people in the room. Football people. Not board members, not sponsors, not marketing reps. Coaches. Recruiters. Junior development staff. Anyone whose job it is to build footballers. And ask one question: What does a Manly footballer look like? Because if you can’t answer that, you’ve got no business running a rugby league club. Once you know that, every decision flows from it.

Then we fix the pathways. Manly used to produce tough, smart, club-first kids. Not anymore. That pipeline’s dried up. You’ve got to invest in junior programs, build coaching continuity from Harold Matts to Cup, and give young players a reason to stay loyal. The Northern Beaches should be your factory. Right now, it’s barely a backyard shed. That needs to change.

Recruitment needs to be smarter. No more panic buys. No more “mate of a mate” signings, looking at you Isaac. No more washed up old front rowers or money ball signings. You don’t build a team by collecting names. You build it by identifying blokes who fit your identity and make others around them better. I’d rather three six-out-of-ten players who know their role than one nine-out-of-ten hero who’s not interested in digging in on tackle four. Build the middle third, get your spine settled, and stop plugging holes with random signings who don't fix your real issues.

And for God’s sake, we need to set standards. Not slogans like 'The Manly Way'. Standards. You train a certain way. You compete a certain way. You carry yourself a certain way because you’re wearing that jersey. Right now, too many blokes in that side look like they’re happy just being there. That’s not first grade. That’s entitlement. It doesn't help that the coach doesn't drop players for poor performances. You don't win games on history or potential, you win them on effort, discipline, and doing your job for the bloke next to you.

The club can turn around. But only if it’s honest with itself. No more papering over the cracks with a Turbo highlights reel. No more PR spin. You fix this thing by building strong foundations, holding people accountable, and actually standing for something again.

And when that happens? Then the rest takes care of itself.
That’s fantastically motivational, I commend you for your words.

But here’s the thing , for the owners it’s about ROI.

And currently ( and yes that may not continue ) their ROI is going very nicely thanks.

Record memberships
Record crowds
Every home game a sell out

The fans want Premierships , the absent owners want a yearly dividend on their investment.

Until that changes , absolutely nothing will ever change.
 
Ever since the end of the N.E debacle we should've grabbed all the north side of Sydney including the Central Coast juniors.
We should've been playing a 3-4 games at Gosford every year and embracing that area instead of going to Suncrap , Mudgee etc.
 
For me the downfall started the minute Penn took majority shareholding .. We have been a band aid club since then, We need a serious owner who wants serious results.. Imagine recruiting Trent Barrett, and then a Spoony and expecting to win premierships FML!!!
 
Despite their loss last night , why are the Bulldogs doing so well ??

They got Gus Gould , an old boy , on side.

They got a very very rich benefactor on side.

They then recruited probably the best young assistant coach in the game.

They then went about recruiting some real gun players , and some very good “ rest of the team “ players.

No one ( of their existing players ) were safe.

This is exactly what @Bomb Voyage wants, and I doubt there’d be many that would disagree with him ( her ).

But in reality whilst we have an owner that is pretty much only interested in a ROI none of the above is happening.

Mind you , I’m sure Scott and co would love success ( they’ve tasted it a couple of times ) but what I don’t see is increased investment to achieve those aims.
 
This premiership window talk has been utter nonsense

Tom is a cheat code and nothing more

Even at our very best in 21 we were despatched from the finals with ease and have been throwing the very same trick shot ever since, except everyone knows its coming

We refuse to play NRL and continue on our journey of self discovery football.
NRL is a different beast and our team just doesn't seem to embrace proven successful strategies

They train hard and compete and are thus professionals but this team, coaches, and leadership group over the last decade have not been able to stir the tactical professionalism and maturity to adjust, modify or control there footy to be called as such

They are generally slow on rule change uptake , drop outs etc .we do seem to have eradicated the clunker a bit though

They constantly look like they are preparing for the wrong assignment so not the ultimate pro team by a long stretch IMO and our results reflect that

One of the reasons ive been behind leadership change for a little while now
 
The coach came up with the “play to our strengths” strategy which the players love because it means they get to throw it around and not worry too much about the hard tough stuff that all successful teams do. A good coach coming in would have said we know we have no problem scoring points, so let’s focus on areas that need fixing ie getting in the grind etc. But our coach instead wants to focus on the one thing we were already good at, so where is the incentive for our players to improve individually and as a team?

The other problem is we are a dumb football team across the park. The gulf between our collective footy IQ and that of a team like the storm is enormous.
 
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I can't help but think that everyone is overreacting... We lost three in a row last year, beat the Storm. We lost three in a row this year, we play the Panthers.

Obviously there are long term structural issues with the club, but I've maintained that opinion even when we have been winning. A lot of people are entirely changing their outlook based upon three losses in a two week period.

Bombing the season, or sacking everyone, or whatever, doesn't achieve anything. It's not like we have a draft. Especially with two new teams coming, no one is going to want to play for Manly if we bomb ourselves out. I'd rather mediocrity than five years of being crap and constantly rebuilding.

I can't see a single thing you've said that Seibold and Mestrov wouldn't be trying to do. You say we need more hard nosed local forwards... Did those two not make Anthony Watmough one of the junior development coaches?

Like a lot of this seems like moot because we're actively doing basically all of it. Resets don't happen overnight, if you want them to have any kind of success. The Ciraldo Bulldogs nearly copped a spoon to get where they are now, and even then, that near-spoon side occasionally seeps through.

We shoudn't dig ourselves a hole just so we have a way upwards.
 
This club needs a reset. Not a tweak. Not a new assistant coach or a shiny signing. A reset. From the ground up. Because right now, Manly doesn’t know what it is. One week we throw the ball around like it’s a trial match, next week they’re grinding through a 10-8 slog. There’s no identity. No backbone. No real standard being lived out week to week.

The first thing that needs to be done is to get the right people in the room. Football people. Not board members, not sponsors, not marketing reps. Coaches. Recruiters. Junior development staff. Anyone whose job it is to build footballers. And ask one question: What does a Manly footballer look like? Because if you can’t answer that, you’ve got no business running a rugby league club. Once you know that, every decision flows from it.

Then we fix the pathways. Manly used to produce tough, smart, club-first kids. Not anymore. That pipeline’s dried up. You’ve got to invest in junior programs, build coaching continuity from Harold Matts to Cup, and give young players a reason to stay loyal. The Northern Beaches should be your factory. Right now, it’s barely a backyard shed. That needs to change.

Recruitment needs to be smarter. No more panic buys. No more “mate of a mate” signings, looking at you Isaac. No more washed up old front rowers or money ball signings. You don’t build a team by collecting names. You build it by identifying blokes who fit your identity and make others around them better. I’d rather three six-out-of-ten players who know their role than one nine-out-of-ten hero who’s not interested in digging in on tackle four. Build the middle third, get your spine settled, and stop plugging holes with random signings who don't fix your real issues.

And for God’s sake, we need to set standards. Not slogans like 'The Manly Way'. Standards. You train a certain way. You compete a certain way. You carry yourself a certain way because you’re wearing that jersey. Right now, too many blokes in that side look like they’re happy just being there. That’s not first grade. That’s entitlement. It doesn't help that the coach doesn't drop players for poor performances. You don't win games on history or potential, you win them on effort, discipline, and doing your job for the bloke next to you.

The club can turn around. But only if it’s honest with itself. No more papering over the cracks with a Turbo highlights reel. No more PR spin. You fix this thing by building strong foundations, holding people accountable, and actually standing for something again.

And when that happens? Then the rest takes care of itself.
 
I can't help but think that everyone is overreacting... We lost three in a row last year, beat the Storm. We lost three in a row this year, we play the Panthers.

Obviously there are long term structural issues with the club, but I've maintained that opinion even when we have been winning. A lot of people are entirely changing their outlook based upon three losses in a two week period.

Bombing the season, or sacking everyone, or whatever, doesn't achieve anything. It's not like we have a draft. Especially with two new teams coming, no one is going to want to play for Manly if we bomb ourselves out. I'd rather mediocrity than five years of being crap and constantly rebuilding.

I can't see a single thing you've said that Seibold and Mestrov wouldn't be trying to do. You say we need more hard nosed local forwards... Did those two not make Anthony Watmough one of the junior development coaches?

Like a lot of this seems like moot because we're actively doing basically all of it. Resets don't happen overnight, if you want them to have any kind of success. The Ciraldo Bulldogs nearly copped a spoon to get where they are now, and even then, that near-spoon side occasionally seeps through.

We shoudn't dig ourselves a hole just so we have a way upwards.
Cheer up sleepy Jean, oh what can it mean to a daydream believer.
 

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