There is a God

[Dan]

[quote author=Dan link=topic=178266.msg195036#msg195036 date=1220239865]
[quote author=Matabele link=topic=178266.msg194977#msg194977 date=1220174059]
[quote author=The Gronk link=topic=178266.msg194816#msg194816 date=1219986842]

But he is right about mathematical probabilities - change the strength of gravity by one part in 30 billion and stars and planets do not exist........

  Dan was prepared to live with 50 billion I believe.
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of course because in perspective it's actuall a fairly good bet matas.

How many assumed planets are there?

even a 50 billion to 1 chance means that there is 1 in 50 billion that it will happen! If there are say 200 billion planets that means there is 4 planets at a minimum the same as earth with life on it.

Just because a chance is small doesn't make it impossible! Your problem mata is that you are unable to think beyond the boundaries of the planet you live on. To you the universe contains the Earth, the Sun, the moon an some sparkly things on a black background!

I am sure your head doesn't fathom the actual size of the Earth, the distance to the sun and the size of just our solar system, let alone the entire Universe.

With the size of the universe as we know it, a 50 billion chance is actuall a pretty safe bet
[/quote]  Actually, it might be you don't give enough credence to the ripple effect of one galaxy versus another etc.  You speak of 50 billion "planets" yet it is quite clear earth alone is "part" of a solar sytstem and then a galaxy.  And likely other galaxies have a gravitational pull on ours.

So you shouldn't talk of 50 billion "planets".  You should speak of 50 billion independant systems (whatever that system may be because science is yet to determine the full extent of our current system, let alone any others). 
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What nonsensical rubbish, how that proves your point is beyond me?

Either way the current estimate is that there is somewhere around 100 Billion Galaxies in the universe, with most galaxies containing at least 10,000,000,000 stars. new galaxies may not have solar systems yet and older ones would have few left, but the estimate is that about 1 quarter of the stars hold a solar system around them.
Some galaxies are thought to even have 100,000,000,000 stars in them.

So if you do the math, there are hundreds of billions of Solar systems out there, many hundred billions, the amount of planets that will be in the "goldie locks zone" will be slightly smaller but again will be in the hundreds of billions, so essentially your centre of the universe theory for yourself and your god and your 50 billion to 1 starts to show exactly how large of an odd that is!

 

[The Gronk]

I like vanilla coke better than the original

 

[clontaago]

Im a coke zero man

 

[Matabele]

Has anyone had the new Mother drink?

 

[Matabele]

[quote author=Matabele link=topic=178266.msg195043#msg195043 date=1220245288]
[quote author=Dan link=topic=178266.msg195036#msg195036 date=1220239865]
[quote author=Matabele link=topic=178266.msg194977#msg194977 date=1220174059]
[quote author=The Gronk link=topic=178266.msg194816#msg194816 date=1219986842]

But he is right about mathematical probabilities - change the strength of gravity by one part in 30 billion and stars and planets do not exist........

  Dan was prepared to live with 50 billion I believe.
[/quote]

of course because in perspective it's actuall a fairly good bet matas.

How many assumed planets are there?

even a 50 billion to 1 chance means that there is 1 in 50 billion that it will happen! If there are say 200 billion planets that means there is 4 planets at a minimum the same as earth with life on it.

Just because a chance is small doesn't make it impossible! Your problem mata is that you are unable to think beyond the boundaries of the planet you live on. To you the universe contains the Earth, the Sun, the moon an some sparkly things on a black background!

I am sure your head doesn't fathom the actual size of the Earth, the distance to the sun and the size of just our solar system, let alone the entire Universe.

With the size of the universe as we know it, a 50 billion chance is actuall a pretty safe bet
[/quote]  Actually, it might be you don't give enough credence to the ripple effect of one galaxy versus another etc.  You speak of 50 billion "planets" yet it is quite clear earth alone is "part" of a solar sytstem and then a galaxy.  And likely other galaxies have a gravitational pull on ours.

So you shouldn't talk of 50 billion "planets".  You should speak of 50 billion independant systems (whatever that system may be because science is yet to determine the full extent of our current system, let alone any others). 
[/quote]

What nonsensical rubbish, how that proves your point is beyond me?

Either way the current estimate is that there is somewhere around 100 Billion Galaxies in the universe, with most galaxies containing at least 10,000,000,000 stars. new galaxies may not have solar systems yet and older ones would have few left, but the estimate is that about 1 quarter of the stars hold a solar system around them.
Some galaxies are thought to even have 100,000,000,000 stars in them.

So if you do the math, there are hundreds of billions of Solar systems out there, many hundred billions, the amount of planets that will be in the "goldie locks zone" will be slightly smaller but again will be in the hundreds of billions, so essentially your centre of the universe theory for yourself and your god and your 50 billion to 1 starts to show exactly how large of an odd that is!


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I think you will find most cosmologists think all those billions of galaxies came from one big bang.

So you are saying science has proven there have been 50 billion big bangs.

Interesting. 

 

[Dan]

Not at all!

But said Big bang, is not also theoried as a single event, it is also thought to be an ongoing cycle.
Whom also said this universe is the only one?

 

[clontaago]

Has anyone had the new Mother drink?

Nope. I reckon they are wasting their time with the new advertising campaign too.

They are ****ting themselves because Red Bull has now overtaken Coke in sales.

 

[eagle_predator]

Coke zero oh the taste.

 

[eagle_predator]

It's highly unlikely that Earth is the only planet that supports life in the universe.  I'm sure there are other planets like earth out there.

 

[Fro]

Mother still tastes like ****

 

[Matabele]

Scientists have successfully fired protons in both directions around a 27 kilometre underground ring in what some call the next great step to understanding the universe.

The counterclockwise circuit inside the world's largest particle collider follows a test that sent a beam in the opposite direction today.

Scientists hope their experiments inside the four billion Swiss franc ($4.75 billion) Large Hadron Collider will provide the power needed to smash the components of atoms together in attempts to learn about their structure.

The start-up was eagerly awaited by physicists around the world who will conduct experiments at the collider.

Earlier, particle physicists were jubilant after the long-awaited start-up of the mega-machine designed to expose secrets of the cosmos passed its first test with flying colours.

Cheers, applause and the pop of a champagne cork - rather than the cataclysmic suck of a black hole, as doomsayers had feared - marked the breakthrough at the European Organisation for Nuclear Research (CERN).

Robert Aymar, the organisation's director general, hailed it as a "historic day" for CERN and mankind's thirst for knowledge.

Humans have "a quest for (knowing) where they came from and where they should go, whether the Universe will end, and where the Universe will go in the future," he said.

The mission aims at resolving some of the greatest enigmas in physics: whether a so-called "God particle" exists that would account for the nature of mass; an explanation for "dark matter" and "dark energy" that account for 96 per cent of the cosmos; and whether other dimensions exist in parallel to our own.

In a 27-kilometre circular tunnel on the Swiss-French border, parallel beams of protons will accelerate to nearly the speed of light.

Superconducting magnets steer the counter-rotating beams so that strings of protons smash together in four huge laboratories, fleetingly replicating the conditions that prevailed at the "Big Bang" that created the Universe 13.7 billion years ago.

Arrays of detectors will trace the sub-atomic rubble spewed out from the collision, looking for signatures of novel particles.

CERN scientists have dismissed fears that the process could create a "black hole" whose super-gravity would swallow the Earth.

Wednesday's startup marked the beginning of a long and cautious commissioning process to check equipment and operational procedures before these collisions can get underway.

The first batch of protons was halted, sector by sector, to verify that monitoring systems and the steering magnets were working properly. Their speed was purposely slowed for the inspection process.

The clockwise beam completed this first test lap in under an hour, causing an eruption of joy and an outbreak of bubbly in the control room.

"No one would have imagined that this could have been done in less than an hour. It's phenomonenal, quite unbelievable," an operator said. "We are very happy and proud."

By comparison, the predecessor to the LHC at CERN, the Large Electron Positron (LEP) collider, took 12 hours to achieve the same goal.

LHC Project Leader Lyn Evans, who has been working on the collider for 14 years, said he felt a wave of relief after the protons had completed their first lap so smoothly.

"It's a machine of enormous complexity and things can go wrong at any time," he said.

Messages of congratulations flooded in from CERN's partners and rivals, including the legendary Fermilab particle physics lab near Chicago.

The LHC took nearly 20 years to complete and at six billion Swiss francs is one of the costliest and most complex scientific experiments ever attempted.

When all is ready, the LHC will whizz two parallel beams, one clockwise and the other anticlockwise, around the tunnel at up to 11,000 laps per second before steering them into collisions into four chambers whose walls are swathed with detectors.

The first collisions are likely to start in several weeks, but only next year will the LHC be cranked up to its full capacity of 14 teraelectronvolts - a massive amount of energy - or seven times the record held by Fermilab.

Over the 10-15 years in which will the LHC will operate, masses of data will spew from these collisions and will be scrutinised by physicists around the world.

"It's about acquiring knowledge for humanity about the behaviour of fundamental matter," physicist Daniel Denegri said. "We expect to make discoveries that could be rather spectacular."

The Holy Grail will be finding a theorised component called the Higgs Boson, which would explain how particles acquire mass. Believed to be ubiquitous - yet also frustratingly elusive until now - the Higgs has been dubbed the "God particle".

The giant machine was several times over its initial budget and began operations two years late.

Before the start-up, internet-driven rumours said the LHC would create black holes or a nasty hypothetical particle called a strangelet that would gobble up the planet.

CERN commissioned a panel to verify its safety calculations and France also carried out its own assessment.

 

[Matabele]

In summary, Dan's hero Dawkins is flying in the face of current scientific wisdom.  Note the singular attached to "the" universe and the search for parallel dimensions  which is entirely speculation at this point. 

Dawkin's synopsis that there are 50 billion parallel dimensions requires an awful lot of "faith" at this point in time.

 

[Dan]

In summary, Dan's hero Dawkins is flying in the face of current scientific wisdom.  Note the singular attached to \"the\" universe and the search for parallel dimensions  which is entirely speculation at this point. 

Dawkin's synopsis that there are 50 billion parallel dimensions requires an awful lot of \"faith\" at this point in time.

And God is not Speculation at this point?

Sounds like you are reverting to a "default" argument!

I think you are also misunderstanding the scientific meaning of singularity!

 

[fLIP]

I love these relevant Google Ad's. The ones at the top now are titled "Was Jesus a Lunatic", "Prove God Exists", "Is There really a God" and "Layher Ladder Beams : Compatible with all scaffold types High load-bearing, light weight".

 

[clontaago]

[quote author=Matabele link=topic=178266.msg196343#msg196343 date=1221085437]
In summary, Dan's hero Dawkins is flying in the face of current scientific wisdom.  Note the singular attached to \"the\" universe and the search for parallel dimensions  which is entirely speculation at this point. 

Dawkin's synopsis that there are 50 billion parallel dimensions requires an awful lot of \"faith\" at this point in time.

And God is not Speculation at this point?

Sounds like you are reverting to a "default" argument!

I think you are also misunderstanding the scientific meaning of singularity!
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Not to mention the sentence Mata has quoted above is not a direct quote from a scientist, its from a news article written by a journo.

 

[Dan]

[quote author=Dan link=topic=178266.msg196355#msg196355 date=1221088413]
[quote author=Matabele link=topic=178266.msg196343#msg196343 date=1221085437]
In summary, Dan's hero Dawkins is flying in the face of current scientific wisdom.  Note the singular attached to \"the\" universe and the search for parallel dimensions  which is entirely speculation at this point. 

Dawkin's synopsis that there are 50 billion parallel dimensions requires an awful lot of \"faith\" at this point in time.

And God is not Speculation at this point?

Sounds like you are reverting to a "default" argument!

I think you are also misunderstanding the scientific meaning of singularity!
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Not to mention the sentence Mata has quoted above is not a direct quote from a scientist, its from a news article written by a journo.
[/quote]

A tactic used constantly, rather than debate the known fact most people who are on shaky ground choose misquotes and quotes out of context or just simply spin whatever **** they can from the content

 

[The Gronk]

I'm off to get another vanilla coke

 

[Canteen Worker]

[quote author=clontaago link=topic=178266.msg196378#msg196378 date=1221092494]
[quote author=Dan link=topic=178266.msg196355#msg196355 date=1221088413]
[quote author=Matabele link=topic=178266.msg196343#msg196343 date=1221085437]
In summary, Dan's hero Dawkins is flying in the face of current scientific wisdom.  Note the singular attached to \"the\" universe and the search for parallel dimensions  which is entirely speculation at this point. 

Dawkin's synopsis that there are 50 billion parallel dimensions requires an awful lot of \"faith\" at this point in time.

And God is not Speculation at this point?

Sounds like you are reverting to a "default" argument!

I think you are also misunderstanding the scientific meaning of singularity!
[/quote]

Not to mention the sentence Mata has quoted above is not a direct quote from a scientist, its from a news article written by a journo.
[/quote]

A tactic used constantly, rather than debate the known fact most people who are on shaky ground choose misquotes and quotes out of context or just simply spin whatever S**t they can from the content
[/quote]A bit like the Oxford expert that Dawkins quotes on historicity of Jesus who turns out to a professor in German linguistics. Same tactic Dan!!!

 

[Matabele]

So Dan and Doug are now trying to say the journo has misintepreted the nature of the experiment?  Yet another leap of faith with no basis in fact. 

 

[Dan]

So Dan and Doug are now trying to say the journo has misintepreted the nature of the experiment?  Yet another leap of faith with no basis in fact. 

and you are assuming a journo interpreted right and put all quotes in 100% context.

interesting, actually sheds a bit of light on beliefs