The Seven Have Agreed to Wear Pride Jersey Next Year (maybe?)

[SeaEagleRock8]

So tell me exactly, what rights the the LGBQTIA+ community lose as a result of the 7 not wearing the jersey?

How about Article 18? "Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance."

If you are fair dinkum you will answer my earlier point instead of ignoring it and throwing up new ones!

Player: my religion tells me to kill people who don’t believe in my god

Karshy: well you have every right to do that, it would be discriminatory for me to ask you not to practice your religion as you are clearly quite devout in your beliefs. Would you like to take my head off now?

 

[blacktown eagle]

If you are fair dinkum you will answer my earlier point instead of ignoring it and throwing up new ones!

Player: my religion tells me to kill people who don’t believe in my god

Karshy: well you have every right to do that, it would be discriminatory for me to ask you not to practice your religion as you are clearly quite devout in your beliefs. Would you like to take my head off now?

In what religion states that?

It says nothing of that in the bible or the Quran

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Honestly , religion nor politics should be mixed with sport.

Sport should be the one thing in life where those two things are left outside.

There’s enough bull**** , enough arguments, enough wars , enough genocide all caused by these two factors.

Please can we just move on , and leave politics / religion to the general forum and leave this to discussing footy ??

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

In what religion states that?

My silly skit was to illustrate a point but I won't bother to explain it. At least after several days discussions we know this -

Some think homophobia in male sports needs to be addressed. Others think it doesn't even exist. And still others think it does but it's OK! (Because of religion, or something or other)

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Sport should be the one thing in life where those two things are left outside.

I thought eating dinner was when you shouldn't discuss politics or religion?
However you'll be pleased to learn I was about to do a thread in General on the broad topic because it is a broad topic and goes far beyond Manly's jersey fiasco!

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

I thought eating dinner was when you shouldn't discuss politics or religion?
However you'll be pleased to learn I was about to do a thread in General on the broad topic because it is a broad topic and goes far beyond Manly's jersey fiasco!

Never over dinner , especially with friends who’ve invited their friends !!

A disaster waiting to happen

 

[Karshy]

My silly skit was to illustrate a point but I won't bother to explain it. At least after several days discussions we know this -

Some think homophobia in male sports needs to be addressed. Others think it doesn't even exist. And still others think it does but it's OK! (Because of religion, or something or other)

Homophobia is the fear and/or dislike of gay people. Theres a huge difference between not promoting something to fearing/disliking something.
The club could have easily done something else that didnt force the 7 to promote something they thought was in direct conflict to their religious beliefs.
Also, your argument about beheading is flawed. Murder is considered a crime in NSW under the Crimes Act 1900. Theres nothing in the Crimes Act about not promoting homosexuality. Infact, As I have already said, theres protection within the discrimination act for employees to practice their religion.

 

[Scorpio]

Des Hasler is one of the few people at Manly to emerge with their reputation intact following the rainbow jersey fiasco, but he has been dealing with another big issue that could explode as a result of the split at the club.

Hasler has five games to save his career with the Sea Eagles, despite guiding them through the most trying of weeks. Under the terms of his contract, Manly have to finish in the top eight this year in order to trigger a new deal with the club.

It is a condition that Manly put into his contract, which was negotiated when Hasler was facing life in the coaching wilderness after his celebrated falling out with the Bulldogs in 2017. He had to agree to clauses that coaches in a stronger position would knock back.

There had been negotiations for months between former Manly chief executive Stephen Humphreys and Hasler’s agent, George Mimis, to restructure the deal. That all came to nothing when Humphreys made a sudden exit from the Sea Eagles in April.

Seven Sea Eagles players did not play in Thursday’s 20-10 loss to the Roosters after refusing to wear a jersey featuring rainbow colours that was designed to promote inclusivity. It would have taken a strong finish to the year to make the top eight, but the Roosters loss has left Manly 10th on the ladder and in danger of missing the finals.

Hasler has been left to coach with a cloud hanging over him, and, with new Manly boss Tony Mestrov starting on Monday, his future is sure to be a hot topic.

Hasler’s situation also raises another interesting issue about the jersey boycott. If Manly don’t finish inside the top eight to trigger a renewal for Hasler, the coach may have a case against the club.

Manly’s management has admitted the decision to wear the controversial jumper was not communicated to the coach, and we have seen the fallout since.

If Hasler’s deal is not renewed due to their finishing position, the role the “inclusivity” jersey played in their demise could be something Mimis seizes on. The obvious solution is to ditch the clause and allow Hasler to coach without the doubt surrounding his future.

It is remarkable that even a fourth place finish last year didn’t assure Hasler would keep his job beyond this season.

Why rainbow jersey could cost Hasler his job

The Sea Eagles coach has five games to save his career at the club, despite receiving praise for the way he responded to the jersey boycott controversy.

www.smh.com.au

It really would be peak stupidity to get rid of Des right now.

I wonder what head coach would actively want to coach Manly, knowing that they'll also be the person apologising on behalf of the club for matters that have nothing to do with coaching...

 

[47MVEagle]

Do you believe the 7 players' discriminatory beliefs deserve respect?

@Karshy your silence speaks volumes

 

[WiseyEagle]

Well if you recall, Kramer didn't wear the AIDS ribbon for the charity run and that didn't turn out well for him.

 

[47MVEagle]

highlandeagle mashing the reactions button

 

[Karshy]

@Karshy your silence speaks volumes

I wouldnt assume to know what their beliefs are. All we know is they refused to promote the jersey on the basis that it promotes something contrary to their religion. Can you share with me what evidence you have of what their religion is or what their beliefs are?

 

[Chip and Chase]

Also from that same Wierdler article. I do find it interesting that none of them are willing to be directly quoted in the media. I wonder why that is ?? As it says below, “They won’t have words or thoughts put in their mouth.” , but they aren't willing to communicate their own words and thoughts on the matter. I find that strange. Of course they aren't obligated to, as it will be quickly pointed out by many that we live in a free society, but if you want some understanding or acceptance of your position then some communication of it would be helpful.

Manly seven insist they won’t change view​

Members of the Manly seven are standing strong and want it made clear assertions from club management that they are ready to backtrack on their decision and wear any kind of “rainbow” jersey in the future are well off the mark.
The players contacted management to tell them their position has not changed, that they will continue to refuse to wear such jumpers and that they are angry the club has made them look weak.

They have told the Sea Eagles they refuse to compromise their religious beliefs by wearing a rainbow jumper next year.
A few minutes after Nathan Cleary became the NRL’s latest headline in an amazing week, a representative of the group contacted me to let me know they will not be changing their minds.


“I can speak on behalf of all the players, the seven, plus another player who was asked to replace the players – the view of the group is united, the players will not be taking part in a pride exercise,” the representative, who did not want to be named, said.
Josh Aloiai, one of the seven, broke the players’ silence on social media on Friday night, saying: “No amount of public scrutiny or internal pressure will cause us to fold our stance, you can’t backflip on beliefs or turn them on and off.”

An intermediary provided me with a statement saying: “The players will not be told what to believe. Or wear something that is in contrast to their beliefs. Whatever religion or culture is important to people, the players have no issue with that. They won’t tell others how to believe or behave and want the same respect given to them.
“While consultation was important, the real issue relates to their religion. The players have been criticised for playing in a sports betting jumper at a beer field. The critics may not have read the Bible. There is nothing to say it’s not OK, just not in excess, but the same goes for food.
“The players also want it known they are not homophobic. They are not telling people what to do. But they don’t want to be told what they need to represent when they don’t believe it.
“They won’t have words or thoughts put in their mouth.”

 

[Woodsie]

@Karshy your silence speaks volumes

I'll answer you ...

The question you posed was ... "Do you believe the 7 players' discriminatory beliefs deserve respect?"

My answer is an emphatic NO! .... However what does deserve not only respect, but defending with every ounce of our being ... is their right to have them ..

The alternative is Totalitarianism ... Stalin silenced the church and all opposition voices ... Hitler silenced the church and all opposition voices ... That North Korean lunatic is also not keen on alternate views being expressed ..

And .. who decides what view is right or wrong ... the current ruling political party ? ... the Judiciary ... a Woodsie poll ?

The saying that .. This is why our fathers fought a war ... is over used ... but this issue is exactly why they fought a war ... for the freedom to be a numbnut ... without fear that you will be silenced or EXCLUDED because of your beliefs ...

 

[47MVEagle]

Homophobia is the fear and/or dislike of gay people. Theres a huge difference between not promoting something to fearing/disliking something.
The club could have easily done something else that didnt force the 7 to promote something they thought was in direct conflict to their religious beliefs.
Also, your argument about beheading is flawed. Murder is considered a crime in NSW under the Crimes Act 1900. Theres nothing in the Crimes Act about not promoting homosexuality. Infact, As I have already said, theres protection within the discrimination act for employees to practice their religion.

A lot of stuff in the bible (especially the old testament) is considered illegal nowadays.

One could call modern society enlightened in regards to these things.

Discriminating against homosexuals because the bible says it's a sin is another outdated concept that needs to be ignored/relegated to the mists of antiquity.

This jersey fiasco has started a long overdue conversation in rugby league.

Religious beliefs do not trump human rights.

 

[47MVEagle]

I wouldnt assume to know what their beliefs are. All we know is they refused to promote the jersey on the basis that it promotes something contrary to their religion. Can you share with me what evidence you have of what their religion is or what their beliefs are?

Pathetic - more semantics.

You're as much of a coward as the 7 players

 

[47MVEagle]

I'll answer you ...

The question you posed was ... "Do you believe the 7 players' discriminatory beliefs deserve respect?"

My answer is an emphatic NO! .... However what does deserve not only respect, but defending with every ounce of our being ... is their right to have them ..

The alternative is Totalitarianism ... Stalin silenced the church and all opposition voices ... Hitler silenced the church and all opposition voices ... That North Korean lunatic is also not keen on alternate views being expressed ..

And .. who decides what view is right or wrong ... the current ruling political party ? ... the Judiciary ... a Woodsie poll ?

The saying that .. This is why our fathers fought a war ... is over used ... but this issue is exactly why they fought a war ... for the freedom to be a numbnut ... without fear that you will be silenced or EXCLUDED because of your beliefs ...

And the religious beliefs of these 7 players were respected (aka "accepted") because they weren't forced to play nor were they punished for refusing to wear the jersey.

Respect/acceptance of a right to religious beliefs does not equate to respecting the person who holds them.

 

[47MVEagle]

I'm sure the old testament says its necessary to use physical force to control an unwilling wife & also that owning slaves is a right.

Just as well society decided to grow out of THOSE particular "religious beliefs" huh?

 

[47MVEagle]

Bigamy
Rape
Incest
Stoning people
Slavery
Genocide

All A-OK per the original big book.

7 Things The Bible Condones That Are Totally Illegal Today

For the Bible tells us so?

www.logotv.com

 

[Volley]

Don’t forget burning people alive.