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BOZO

Journey Man
Tipping Member
Our best days start with a Great Attitude
and Gratitude is the Best Attitude
So here we go ....
The Vegas Experiment was an Amazing Experience and a Great Success
We are all accountable for our actions and our owner takes credit and the praise for the privilege that all Manly people had seeing their team Winning on World stage
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Kiwi Eagle

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This is as good a thread as any to ask the question

Seeing headlines about Penn in talks with the San Francisco 49ers about selling the club, what’s the gist of the article ? Sure it will just be a misleading headline
 

SeaEagleRock8

Sea Eagle Lach
Premium Member
Tipping Member
This is as good a thread as any to ask the question

Seeing headlines about Penn in talks with the San Francisco 49ers about selling the club, what’s the gist of the article ? Sure it will just be a misleading headline
Can't open it but maybe someone can?
The 49ers entered the AAFC in 1946 and joined the NFL in '49 when the conferences merged, Manly entered the NSWRL comp in 1947.

 

Dion Johnson

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Manly think they deserve to go back to Las Vegas. Will the NRL let them?​


Manly owner Scott Penn wants the NRL to abandon plans to have all 17 clubs get the chance to play in Las Vegas, insisting the Sea Eagles and Roosters should return next year after holding talks with an NFL heavyweight about potential investment in the club.

As NRL clubs clamour to be included on next year’s trip to Las Vegas - Australian Rugby League Commission boss Peter V’landys has previously flagged all clubs will be given a chance - Penn has made his most vocal comments on scrapping that proposal.

The Sea Eagles and Roosters sacrificed a home game to play in Las Vegas, and both sides emerged victorious from the Allegiant Stadium double-header with victories over the Rabbitohs and Broncos respectively.

Asked if he wanted Manly to play in Las Vegas in 2025, Penn said: “Absolutely. We put our hand up at the very beginning with a submission and we said, ‘we’re in this for the five years’. This is a commitment we not only believe in, but we want to make it our own.

We’ve laid the foundations, so it would be disappointing not to take it to the next level. We’ve already invested in the concept by being a home team. I’d like to see us both [Sea Eagles and Roosters] rewarded - and we both won. We’re both looking at it as a long-term play.”

Penrith, who will be without their traditional home next year as it undergoes a $300 million renovation, and the Storm, who aggressively pitched to be part of this year’s Las Vegas experiment, are considered frontrunners to be on the plane next year.

The Manly Sea Eagles were the first team win an NRL match in Las Vegas.

The Manly Sea Eagles were the first team win an NRL match in Las Vegas.CREDIT: NRL PHOTOS

But the Warriors and Raiders, who are keen on striking a partnership with the Las Vegas NFL franchise of the same name, have joined other clubs in expressing interest in going to the US.

Roosters chairman Nick Politis has already expressed his club’s desire to return to Las Vegas next year.

There have also been suggestions the winning clubs earn the right to return the following year.

“I like the concept and if it wasn’t around a long-term strategy, then I would be fine with that, but this is a long-term strategy for us,” Penn said. “To do that we have to make investments.

“We do want to genuinely partner with NFL teams and take it to the next level, but if you’re only here for 12 months it can be hard to do that.”

Penn confirmed he held talks with San Francisco 49ers president Al Guido on the morning of the Las Vegas games about potentially buying a minority stake in the Sea Eagles, a result which could have huge ramifications for rugby league in America.

He was very open to the idea and while we want to keep a majority stake in the club, we can always look at potential opportunities for minority investment,” Penn said
More than 40,000 fans attended the Super Bowl venue for the season start, which the NRL considered a rousing success for the first competition games outside of Australia and New Zealand.

But Penn pointed to Formula 1 flooding the United States market with three races this year as a model the NRL should pursue.

“We have to get broadcast and our game in front of American eyeballs,” Penn said.

That means if we can play two or three weekends a year and maybe in different cities, maybe that will increase our presence.

“Formula 1 didn’t have a race here until five years ago, and now they’ve got three. So, it’s really starting to capture the imagination. I definitely think that needs to be the short to medium-term strategy. This was an amazing start.

“But we need to think about coming back sooner rather than later.”
 

BOZO

Journey Man
Tipping Member

Manly think they deserve to go back to Las Vegas. Will the NRL let them?​


Manly owner Scott Penn wants the NRL to abandon plans to have all 17 clubs get the chance to play in Las Vegas, insisting the Sea Eagles and Roosters should return next year after holding talks with an NFL heavyweight about potential investment in the club.

As NRL clubs clamour to be included on next year’s trip to Las Vegas - Australian Rugby League Commission boss Peter V’landys has previously flagged all clubs will be given a chance - Penn has made his most vocal comments on scrapping that proposal.

The Sea Eagles and Roosters sacrificed a home game to play in Las Vegas, and both sides emerged victorious from the Allegiant Stadium double-header with victories over the Rabbitohs and Broncos respectively.

Asked if he wanted Manly to play in Las Vegas in 2025, Penn said: “Absolutely. We put our hand up at the very beginning with a submission and we said, ‘we’re in this for the five years’. This is a commitment we not only believe in, but we want to make it our own.

We’ve laid the foundations, so it would be disappointing not to take it to the next level. We’ve already invested in the concept by being a home team. I’d like to see us both [Sea Eagles and Roosters] rewarded - and we both won. We’re both looking at it as a long-term play.”

Penrith, who will be without their traditional home next year as it undergoes a $300 million renovation, and the Storm, who aggressively pitched to be part of this year’s Las Vegas experiment, are considered frontrunners to be on the plane next year.

The Manly Sea Eagles were the first team win an NRL match in Las Vegas.

The Manly Sea Eagles were the first team win an NRL match in Las Vegas.CREDIT: NRL PHOTOS

But the Warriors and Raiders, who are keen on striking a partnership with the Las Vegas NFL franchise of the same name, have joined other clubs in expressing interest in going to the US.

Roosters chairman Nick Politis has already expressed his club’s desire to return to Las Vegas next year.

There have also been suggestions the winning clubs earn the right to return the following year.

“I like the concept and if it wasn’t around a long-term strategy, then I would be fine with that, but this is a long-term strategy for us,” Penn said. “To do that we have to make investments.

“We do want to genuinely partner with NFL teams and take it to the next level, but if you’re only here for 12 months it can be hard to do that.”

Penn confirmed he held talks with San Francisco 49ers president Al Guido on the morning of the Las Vegas games about potentially buying a minority stake in the Sea Eagles, a result which could have huge ramifications for rugby league in America.

He was very open to the idea and while we want to keep a majority stake in the club, we can always look at potential opportunities for minority investment,” Penn said
More than 40,000 fans attended the Super Bowl venue for the season start, which the NRL considered a rousing success for the first competition games outside of Australia and New Zealand.

But Penn pointed to Formula 1 flooding the United States market with three races this year as a model the NRL should pursue.

“We have to get broadcast and our game in front of American eyeballs,” Penn said.

That means if we can play two or three weekends a year and maybe in different cities, maybe that will increase our presence.

“Formula 1 didn’t have a race here until five years ago, and now they’ve got three. So, it’s really starting to capture the imagination. I definitely think that needs to be the short to medium-term strategy. This was an amazing start.

“But we need to think about coming back sooner rather than later.”

Thank you for posting @Dion Johnson
The Epitomy of Penns Passion for Manly is in this article for all to see

The best solution for the Vegas Venture would be to have the first two winning American home teams The Manly Sea eagles and the Rosters and have two different NRL teams every year

One small step for the NRL
One Giant Leap for the Mighty Manly Sea eagles
The First team to Win on American soil and Win the American souls with the highest Winning score

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double hoops

First Grader
A number of NRL clubs now building property portfolio's or other funding streams for a healthy bank balance for the future.

What exactly does our football club own these days?

If your not already concerned that a club played out of Brookvale is currently the least profitable franchise in the NRL.

Being a private owned club, is that a blessing or already a death knell?

John Singleton clearly doesn't have enough cash to get Newtown back in the A grade.


 

jbb/james

First Grader
Premium Member
Tipping Member
A week or so back anasta dropped on 360 that the warriors are off to vegas next year
 

BOZO

Journey Man
Tipping Member
We all live by our standards
and In a results driven business results makes us or breaks us
We either Overachieve or we Underachieve
The Penn run club has been Underachieving
In every organization Underachievers are moved on
We acknowledge that Mr Penn is our major investor
But we do not appreciate that the Manly club is not getting a good return
Lower our Legendary clubs Great Premiership winning standards and we stand for nothing Great

2008 Legendary Record Manly Grand final win
Max Delmege Manly Sea eagles 40
Storm NIL
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eagle66

Bencher
Premium Member
A number of NRL clubs now building property portfolio's or other funding streams for a healthy bank balance for the future.

What exactly does our football club own these days?

If your not already concerned that a club played out of Brookvale is currently the least profitable franchise in the NRL.

Being a private owned club, is that a blessing or already a death knell?

John Singleton clearly doesn't have enough cash to get Newtown back in the A grade.


That's the Leagues Club doing the buying not the Football Club. The Football club is still draining $6m out of the Leagues each year.
If Manly Leagues Club was better run in the mid 1990's they would have had other sources of revenue, like other licensed premises as the first step and maybe no need for private ownership.
 

lsz

First Grader
Staff member
That's the Leagues Club doing the buying not the Football Club. The Football club is still draining $6m out of the Leagues each year.
If Manly Leagues Club was better run in the mid 1990's they would have had other sources of revenue, like other licensed premises as the first step and maybe no need for private ownership.
6m?? Really?If that is the case between that and the cap being covered by the NRL what is the realisitic amount of money that they are putting in each year?

I would think nothing as the leagues money and the NRL grant does not include game day revenue, memberships, merch etc

So again what is the incentive for the penn family to invest more when they are still potentially drawing a significant return? If not motivated by on field success I would think the risk of increased investment far outweighs the benefit....which is why we are where we are
 

SeaEagleRock8

Sea Eagle Lach
Premium Member
Tipping Member
This is as good a thread as any to ask the question

Seeing headlines about Penn in talks with the San Francisco 49ers about selling the club, what’s the gist of the article ? Sure it will just be a misleading headline
It will disappear into the fog like the other so called idea,s
 

manly al

First Grader
Not sure of the general arrangements and functions with joint ownership of entities or more specifically, sporting franchises but still am under the impression that the Penn " share is presently around the 67 % range .
Which would surely then denote majority ownership , not obviously full ownership , the role of chairman for Scott Penn but then hardly in the total Boss classification .
Anyway probably just a moot point again but still would assume technically , a bit of differentiation between a full ownership model and the current Manly franchise majority ownership format
 

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