The gap between NRL teams.

I seriously doubt that if the team was travelling better this season that Baz would have been even considering tendering his resignation in July , resources or recruiting issues aside . Can"t see any problem with Hoss Cartwright performing any recruiting duties , may not have the status or gravitas of a Fulton, but shouldn "t have disrupted his role even if he was not entirely specialist rated . Again did not appear to be a serious enough issue when the team was doing better again last season, just seemed to have some prominence this season with the side performing quite indifferent .

But once again you are allowing your own interpretation to put motive to Baz's actions .... and this is 90% of the problem .... we have no complete knowledge of the situation ... but after 200 pages on Silvertails of speculation, rumour, opinion and some blatant nonsense repeated often enough to become local folklore ... views are steadfastly formed that bear no relevance to the truth ....
 
But once again you are allowing your own interpretation to put motive to Baz's actions .... and this is 90% of the problem .... we have no complete knowledge of the situation ... but after 200 pages on Silvertails of speculation, rumour, opinion and some blatant nonsense repeated often enough to become local folklore ... views are steadfastly formed that bear no relevance to the truth ....
Also try to base opinion on observation [ maybe the same as interpretation in some regards ] but including timing and sequences . Personally thought that Baz had a refreshing and yet still sufficiently capable approach to his coaching role and duties for a good part of his time at Manly but things did change this year and again irrespective of the rights or wrongs of his tenure , best that he does move on now for the benefit of all stakeholders of Manly now .
 
We don't need to disagree ... facts are facts ...

The other reason that he didn't openly express concerns last year was that Fulton was there and effectively performing the roles of Football Manager, recruitment officer and Salary cap manager .... and we have seen the results of that exercise ...

When Fulton left this year all those roles had to then be done by the existing coaching staff in addition to their normal functions ... you will recall at one stage Cartwright was named as doing the recruitment ..... and before the "excuses" mantra is sung by the demented ... it is simply a fact that he was promised staff ..... and to this day they still haven't been provided ...
He did coach us into conceding 700 plus points this season and a worst ever margin loss at Brookie against the Roosters as well as overseeing numerous second half capitulations when we were leading at halftime. Jackson Hastings is killing it over in England at the moment and may have been exactly what we needed but our coach with the big balls wasn’t able to tell his players/mates to pull their farkin heads in for the sake of winning football games. The players had such respect for their coach/mate’s big balls that they defied a direct order to stay in their Hotel room in Gladstone , and from that point our season never recovered. Our fearless big balled leader then came out on the front foot by stating that Jackson would not be considered for FG again despite our injury toll, creating a divide in the group. Then there’s the team selections, the Hodgkinson signing and the absurd tactics that many on here have pointed out numerous times already. And if that’s not enough, there’s also the little fact that we were an old grey whisker away from collecting our first ever spoon. Thank Goodness for Brad Arthur and the Eels... Big balls could still learn a thing or two from Brad though. At least he’s got enough man in him to accept ownership for Parramatta’s sh1t season... imagine going into war and seeing your general get all tearful on live tv about not having a good enough boot camp... imagine while losing battle after battle, being forced to watch on while the general gets all emotional and sets about blaming everything and everyone other than himself for the failures in the red zone. Being forced to witness your commander set himself up for one final pay cheque by selling out his troops and handing in his resignation so that it aligns with a mid season/battle walk out. See ya Trent... don’t let those big balls of yours hit the door on your way out.
 
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Here's an interesting fact if anyone thinks the drizzle are worth anything more than sht.
Storm draws on average 0.33% of the Melbourne city population to their home games.
Manly draws 3.3% of the Northern Sydney population.
The Donkeys draw 1.45% of the Brisbane city population.
Maybe these media drongos might like to look at relative facts when they try to put the boot into Manly.
For Melbourne, the whole state population is relevant. So add some zeroes to that percentage.
 
I seriously doubt that if the team was travelling better this season that Baz would have been even considering tendering his resignation in July , resources or recruiting issues aside . Can"t see any problem with Hoss Cartwright performing any recruiting duties , may not have the status or gravitas of a Fulton, but shouldn "t have disrupted his role even if he was not entirely specialist rated . Again did not appear to be a serious enough issue when the team was doing better again last season, just seemed to have some prominence this season with the side performing quite indifferent .
I’m pretty sure Barrett’s management would have believed him to be a dead man walking as far as being our coach was concerned. The general consensus about his coaching abilities had started charting on a downward trajectory. Thats when he ramped up the poor me...I couldn’t possibly have done any better because of... I’m handing in my 12 month notice to try and save face...bullsh1t that we’ve got now.
 
He did coach us into conceding 700 plus points this season and a worst ever margin loss at Brookie against the Roosters as well as overseeing numerous second half capitulations when we were leading at halftime. Jackson Hastings is killing it over in England at the moment and may have been exactly what we needed but our coach with the big balls wasn’t able to tell his players/mates to pull their farkin heads in for the sake of winning football games. The players had such respect for their coach/mate’s big balls that they defied a direct order to stay in their Hotel room in Gladstone , and from that point our season never recovered. Our fearless big balled leader then came out on the front foot by stating that Jackson would not be considered for FG again despite our injury toll, creating a divide in the group. Then there’s the team selections, the Hodgkinson signing and the absurd tactics that many on here have pointed out numerous times already. And if that’s not enough, there’s also the little fact that we were an old grey whisker away from collecting our first ever spoon. Thank Goodness for Brad Arthur and the Eels... Big balls could still learn a thing or two from Brad though. At least he’s got enough man in him to accept ownership for Parramatta’s sh1t season... imagine going into war and seeing your general get all tearful on live tv about not having a good enough boot camp... or as they’re losing battle after battle, being forced to watch on while the general gets all emotional as he sets about blaming everything and everyone other than himself for the failures in the red zonebefore witnessing the commander set himself up for one final pay check by selling out his troops and handing in his resignation so that it aligns with a mid season/battle walk out. See ya Trent... don’t let those big balls of yours hit the door on your way out.

All the drama of a game of thrones episode ... and about as rational an interpretation of events as any great fantasy .....
 
But once again you are allowing your own interpretation to put motive to Baz's actions .... and this is 90% of the problem .... we have no complete knowledge of the situation ... but after 200 pages on Silvertails of speculation, rumour, opinion and some blatant nonsense repeated often enough to become local folklore ... views are steadfastly formed that bear no relevance to the truth ....
All the drama of a game of thrones episode ... and about as rational an interpretation of events as any great fantasy .....
All the drama of a game of thrones episode ... and about as rational an interpretation of events as any great fantasy .....
You’re right... DCE told a reporter that Baz is a great coach so it must be true.., and players love him as well (at least some of them do). On the other side of the coin we did come 15th. We did leak over 700 points. We did blow numerous halftime leads. We did implode on numerous occasions. We did have our worst EVER loss at Brookvale. We did kick the ball into touch while in an attacking position and behind on the scoreboard as a tactic. Our captain and others did attend a strip club in Gladstone against the coach’s orders. We did let go of Blake Green before signing Pearce. We did sign Hodko for two years. Hastings is going very nicely over I. England atm. He is a 5/8. Baz did hand in his notice which will come into effect six months into next season. I could go on... I’m open to correction. What factual evidence do you have regarding Trent?
 
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You’re right... DCE told a reporter that Baz is a great coach so it must be true.., and players love him as well (at least some of them do). On the other side of the coin we did come 15th. We did leak over 700 points. We did blow numerous halftime leads. We did implode on numerous occasions. We did have our worst EVER loss at Brookvale. We did kick the ball into touch while in an attacking position and behind on the scoreboard as a tactic. Our captain and others did attend a strip club in Gladstone against the coach’s orders. We did let go of Blake Green before signing Pearce. We did sign Hodko for two years. Hastings is going very nicely over I. England atm. He is a 5/8. Baz did hand in his notice which will come into effect six months into next season. I could go on... I’m open to correction. What factual evidence do you have regarding Trent?

None .... it is just as I have stated before ..... I prefer to take my information from people who have actually met him rather than just from people who have only seen him through the bottom of a beer glass .....

You continuously bring up his coaching as if you have not read one of my posts ..... go back and see what I have said ..... don't worry .... I 'll repeat it for you ....

In the 10 years since the start of our decline only one bloke has had the cojones to stand up to Penn and say resource this proud club back to NRL standard ...... and because of his coaching record some numb-nuts are prepared to totally misintepret his stance and even be punch drunk stupid enough to abuse him for being the only bloke at the club to speak out and put his career on the line ...

One of his points was that Manly have a football staff of 9 as opposed to the top clubs having as many as 23 ..... these include no recruitment Officer, No Salary Cap Manager, No welfare Officer, No junior pathways coach, a part time casual reggie coach etc ,,etc .. but again the dribblers wish to concentrate on his point about chairs .... fmd ....

Again don't give me the well worn dribble about excuses .... these are simply a fact ..... and please, please don't tell me he must some how be wrong or evil just because of his win/loss record ..... that is irrelevant and petty and takes the gold prize for shooting the messenger, but let us destroy his character first .....

Thank goodness Barrtt ade a stand .... you can guarantee any new coach worth two bob will insist that Barretts deands are impleented long before they get here .... with the possible exception of Cartwright who would probably take the job out of desperation ......

Kev .... I have a lot of time for you and your posts .... I like them nearly as much as I like a good blue ... but Barretts coaching record has nothing to do with the fact he is 100% in the right .... heaven help us if we have too many more people just prepared tp accept the decline in resources dished up by the club over the past decade ...
 
I was a Barrett supporter longer than most. But I simply don't buy into this modern day solution to every problem - throw money at it. An analogy - look at the standard of education in this country. Every year we throw billions at it, but our standards just keep getting lower. It's not quantity, it's quality. A good teacher can achieve great things with zero budgets/dollars. But we have been brainwashed to believe that building some extra school halls, adding more computers and whatever, will magically make kids smarter. It just doesn't work. But it's the modern way to simply use money as an excuse and a solution to everything.
Getting back to Barrett - let's see, we only had a full time staff of 9, whereas the rich clubs have 23. What the hell do those extra 14 people do that has such a bearing on results? The fact we had no recruitment manager may have a bearing in future years, but what does it have to do with results this season? Our squad was good enough and underachieved. Ditto salary cap manager. Ditto pathways and reggies coaches. Next to no bearing on what is happening today. No welfare officer - granted, that may have helped in situations like Gladstone, but really it's Barrett himself who should be held accountable for what happened there, not the lack of a welfare officer.
Barrett had his chance. He was here 3 years. We were getting worse, not better. But everything else aside, the thing that cruels Barrett in my mind is how we actually played. Can you hand on heart say that Manly at any stage played like a team that had any real pattern, structure, mindset, whatever? Sure, we looked flashy on occasions on the back of Marty's offloads, but what else did we have that suggested any pattern or purpose?
And going cold on Barrett doesn't automatically mean you support the owners 100%. Far from it. They look clueless as well. But that doesn't mean Barrett can coach.

All the above has been argued in 20 threads and some 1000's of posts ......I just believe abusing Barrett for wanting the club to have the same resources as other NRL teams to be totally senseless .... the Daly Messenger made do with a drink of water from the tap response I find counter productive to Manly's best interests for the future ... .....
 
the Daly Messenger made do with a drink of water from the tap response I find counter productive to Manly's best interests for the future ... .....
It's a no brainer. The richest clubs tend to have the most success. The exceptions (Eels, lol) merely prove the rule.
 
I'm in the boat Barrett isn't a good coach but I agree with him that the things that were promised should have been delivered . To say the points he raised are irrelevant is a nonsense (about lack of staff) Madge,Bellamy,Robinson,Bennett wouldn't accept those conditions so why as supporters do we accept our club delivering sub standard conditions?
It comes down to this Penn has to decide does he really want to continue or not and if he does he just has to spend more money,I don't blame him if he doesn't but if so sell it to someone who does.
 
I wasn't abusing Barrett, just think he's not a very good coach, who is hiding behind excuses.

Sorry ... I wasn't specifically saying you .... just the general actions of the herd ...... and I don't think wanting the club resourced to NRL standard is an excuse of anything ... just a fact ....
 
Facities and staff don't guarantee success but without them and running on a shoestring doesn't help to achieve success.
 
This debate about the full backs started when I said in a comment that '(Billy) is possibly the best fullback ever sitting in that private jet'. *I wasn't even comparing him directly with anyone*. Someone took opposition to the opinion (even though I said 'possibly'). Next thing you know, the debate got a little heated. Apologies for any of my comments that may have offended anyone.@:)
All good mate. There's only 2 words that you've said to cause offense. 'Billy' and 'Slater'.
 

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