Supporter Group Behaviour

[CussCuss]

For me I do not want to take my son to a place where he wil be exposed to bad language. Yes it happens, yes i use it but i would prefer my son not use it.

You know what will happen, your son wont use it... around you.

Will still use it in other places.

Education will change habits, not just not exposing them to certain situations.

 

[Jono]

To the people on this thread defending swearing and yobbo behaviour who have no respect for others,what would you think if I showed no respect to you by lighting up a cigerette amongst you on the hill?
As a smoker I realise some don't like to be around cigerette smoke and that has to be respected as with swearing..
Seems some fans think they can behave with no respect for others or themselves,but would most probably be the first to cry foul if someone done something that offended them!!!
Yes! I let out a few choice words during the footy,but to defend yourself by saying in a round-a-bout way\"stuff ya's I don't have kids so I don't give a s**t what they hear\" is laughable...
Pull your heads in!!!!

We did not say that at all. We are saying that you know what goes on so why take them to those areas? People know that the dedicated smoking areas have smokers so, if they are offended, they don't go there. Its as simple as that. You shouldn't be forced to not smoke, in a smoking area, because there is someone in the area that doesn't like smoking. As I said before, instead of blaming us, blame yourselves for putting them in that position in the first place.

People swear, **** happens and if you don't want the kids to hear this, either lock them up in the basement or go to the family hill. The alternative is to let them hear the words but teach them when they can and cannot say those words.

I may not have kids and I do know when they around me but I will NEVER be made to feel bad for saying something in an area where kids shouldn't be in the first place, just like you don't have to feel bad about sparking up in the designated smoking area.

 

[Wolfpack]

To the people on this thread defending swearing and yobbo behaviour who have no respect for others,what would you think if I showed no respect to you by lighting up a cigerette amongst you on the hill?
As a smoker I realise some don't like to be around cigerette smoke and that has to be respected as with swearing..
Seems some fans think they can behave with no respect for others or themselves,but would most probably be the first to cry foul if someone done something that offended them!!!
Yes! I let out a few choice words during the footy,but to defend yourself by saying in a round-a-bout way\"stuff ya's I don't have kids so I don't give a s**t what they hear\" is laughable...
Pull your heads in!!!!

Man I see what you're getting at but the cigarette analogy isn't the best. Even with the 'ban' there are still bucket loads who do it all the time & I've never heard a peep from the general crowd there.

As far as I see it, by choosing to sit in a supporters section you should acknowledge that you are going to be in the thick of it. I don't sit in the Cove & get angry when I end up stinking like strongbow from the beer showers. Same goes for Brookie & the Hill.

The family & alcohol free areas are there for a reason. You can't say there aren't ample places to sit if you want to avoid the type of behavior stated above. Of the entire SFS last Saturday the only two bays getting rowdy were the Manly supporters & the Chook Pen.

This whole thing is a non-issue. A little bit of common sense & everyone gets to enjoy the footy in their own way.

 

[Garts]

I can accept that people at the footy will drop the odd fark or sh!t when watching the game.  That is expected and that does not bother me.  I know I am guilty of it as well.  It is the sustained foul language and abuse that you sometimes hear that pisses me off.  People should be bright enough to realise that there are kids around or adults who do not appreciate it. 

 

[COMMANDER]

What a great thread.  

In the year that Manly returned to the comp in one of the early rounds I went with my Brother and his at the time 8 year old daughter to a Bronco's v St George game in Brisbane.

Wearing my "Manly is Back" T-Shirt.

The abuse for the shirt came not from the Bronc's fans, but the Saints fans.

My niece learned every swear word in the book that day and was entertained with various story's of Ian Roberts and Geoff Toovey and various sexual positions that took place in the sheds.

Looking back at it now, I could have snapped and really hurt some of the Dragons fans where they sat, but I didn't because in front of an 8 year old kid that sort of thing would only have made a bad situation worse.

Moral of the story: wait for them to go to the bar, and sort them out there.

 

[Matabele]

Any kids giving the finger to people?

  That's a bit over the top isn't it?

 

[Jonesyv2]

The Argument of People Swearing are not respecting others is flawed.... MASSIVELY

Your opinion is that swearing is offensive, i can guarentee you would hear more F bombs and C bombs in a regular 20 somethings conversation outside of the football.

To these people my demographic swearing is part of the english language and as Australians is a massive part of the younger generaitons lingo, colloquialism  is a product of environment and surorundings and really dictates what is acceptable when and where. it jsut so happens the Footy is one of those places that accepts swearing so Deal with it.

So your stance of you are offending me actually if you flip it around you are offending them and their ways....

People need to grow up, not everyone is going ot act the way YOU perceive as non offensive especially when they r tanked up on the piss at the footy.

This is MY opinion feel free to disagee just my 2 cents, the world is imperfect and we all can't live in WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN LAND.... It's this  mentality that is turning Australia into the biggest nanny state out.

 

[Chip and Chase]

[quote author=clontaago link=topic=184953.msg288816#msg288816 date=1283159255]
Any kids giving the finger to people?

  That's a bit over the top isn't it?
[/quote]

It's OK, I don't think Hoppas kids were there.

 

[Ryan]

Nobody can be one dimensional.

Daniel Heckenberg gave it a fair shake.

 

[Dan]

The Argument of People Swearing are not respecting others is flawed.... MASSIVELY

Your opinion is that swearing is offensive, i can guarentee you would hear more F bombs and C bombs in a regular 20 somethings conversation outside of the football.

And this is where your argument is flawed.....you think because some twenty-somethings swear a lot it makes it justified and ok for you to.

Once again it isn't the language specifically that I and most take issue with, it is more the overall mob mentality yobbo behavior.

I stopped sitting on the hill long ago because of it. On the rare occassions I get to Sydney to watch a game, I generally now sit on the benches with my Dad, he doesn't mind the atmosphere when it is friendly, (say Souths v Manly at NSO a few years back) but the general yobbo carry on, on the hill just makes the game not worth going to.

And this "20-somethings" argument is ridiculous, there is a reason why 20-somethings are not the general leaders of any nation

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Dan, I actually accept the fact that the 20's swear (and yes I kow this isn't all about swearing) a lot BUT as with everything in life there's a time and place for it. If I choose to stand on the hill, amidst the tragics, it's just part of the scene....my beef (and not just with swearing but the whole anti social behaviour deal) is it needs to be "appropriate for the conditions".

Can I say this....I have taken Jonesey / Jono and a heap of other "20 somethings" away on a heap of trips, populated by a mixture of females, kids, older people and their age and I must say I have NEVER heard them be inappropriate in that crowd, they have in fact been a credit to their generation.

Stand them on the hill at Brookvale, amongst all their mates and I'll tell you a different story, but that's the way it should be.

A time and place for everything.

 

[Dan]

So did you all get your Southern Cross Tatoos at the same time?

 

[ManlyBacker]

They should put up signs then Mark on entry to the hill. "Civilised behaviour ends here - if you want to be surrounded by polite society then F**K OFF". I am sure it will work a treat in gaining sponsors.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Boy I laughed at that one MB.....but seriously, we all go to the football, if you want "family values"....you go to the family hill, you want comfort and not a lot of agro....you go and sit in the Jane Try stand (or similar elsewhere).....you want "warts and all passion"...go and stand next to the beer shed on the hill.

You make your choices based on what rocks your boat!!

 

[Dan]

Boy I laughed at that one MB.....but seriously, we all go to the football, if you want \"family values\"....you go to the family hill, you want comfort and not a lot of agro....you go and sit in the Jane Try stand (or similar elsewhere).....you want \"warts and all passion\"...go and stand next to the beer shed on the hill.

You make your choices based on what rocks your boat!!

Do you however think, that, that is a positive message and therefore marketing tool to attract new fans to the games and to bring families to the games?

 

[clontaago]

[quote author=clontaago link=topic=184953.msg288816#msg288816 date=1283159255]
Any kids giving the finger to people?

  That's a bit over the top isn't it?
[/quote]

Some parents seem to think its acceptable behaviour

 

[ayjay007]

what would you think if I showed no respect to you by lighting up a cigerette amongst you on the hill?

If you light up on the hill these days,you can be fined!I'm sure if you kept smoking,you'd be escorted off the property!SMOKING KILLS-swearing doesn't!!

 

[Dan]

This thread has started to turn a little hostile. I don't think it is actually going to go anywhere good and as such I am going to lock it for now.


Some of us like the mob and yob mentality others don't, it's fair to say that is something that won't change in a hurry and specifically not through continued snipes.

peace out.

 

[Bradza]

This is an interesting thread. The proliferation and general acceptance of mid to high level swearing in society is, in my opinion, a sad reality. It also correlates with a general decline in respect for other individuals and their property.
There’s a narrow focus to this debate and a wider one. The initial complaint was related to the specific case of sitting in an area with a dedicated group of passionate Manly fans and being shocked at the behaviour. That was an unexpected result for that person and they will make different choices in future. For those that go to the footy a lot it would not be that unexpected. I can appreciate both sides of the argument here and it comes down to choices. I have travelled with the MWTS group and understand that there’s nothing extreme about the groups behaviour (although your drum in my ear can sometimes stretch the friendship
The wider debate is about swearing, drinking, carrying on and what parts of the ground people should and shouldn’t sit in. Since when did yobbos take sole ownership of the main part of the football ground? Family hills / no alcohol areas were brought in to provide an option for people but that shouldn’t make it a free for all elsewhere. Alcohol is optional in the rest of the ground, it’s not mandatory. The great majority of people sitting in the outer at the footy watch the game, barrack for their team, drop the odd swear word at a bad decision. The behaviour doesn’t result in others feeling uncomfortable. 
Maybe there should be a fenced area somewhere on the hill where all the people who want to drink heaps and hurl non stop abuse and high level swearing around can stand together. Unfortunately self regulation wouldn’t work too well.
Yes, they are just words and they are used to different levels throughout society but no one (kids or adults) should have to put up with repeated full on abusive language at a sporting event. If you’re in an all seated stadium it’s the boof head who should have to move, not you.

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[quote author=Duff link=topic=184953.msg289396#msg289396 date=1283308665]
Contrary to popular belief, the football is not a freindly family fun activity. It's blokes watching blokes tear each other apart. It's grog & gambling.

What a load of tripe. You really do live on your own little planet don't you Duff!?
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Then what is it Bradza? All I see on that field is a bunch of blokes tearing each other apart for the fun of it. Duff is correct. Why should any of us have to change the way we behave because you have kids and decide to bring them into the ALCOHOL AREA? Its just the same as us telling you that you can't bring them into the alcohol area. We should be allowed to say what we want and you should be able to take your kids wherever you want.

[/quote]

Jono, I have quoted the part of Duff’s comment that I think is tripe. Footy might have a huge emphasis on physical toughness but it also has a heap of skill and most importantly, it’s played within a set of rules. I don’t know what the percentage is but there’s plenty of females at the game as well not just “blokes watching blokes”.  There’s also plenty of people NOT drinking alcohol or gambling. From reading Duff’s comments on this site he does see the world in a very black and white manner. There’s nothing wrong with that but I think it puts him on his own little planet.
I agree with his arguments that alcohol is used as an excuse for behaviour when it is actually lack of self control that is the problem.
By the way, I don’t have kids although my wife and I often sit at Brookie on the benches with my nieces and nephew. With isolated abusive swearing heard at the footy you just shake your head and ignore it but if someone is continually using foul or abusive language (at the footy or anywhere for that matter) I think you’re quite within your rights to ask them to tone it down. If they want to exercise their right to ignore the request then that just confirms what an a-hole they are.

 

[Dan]

Locking again