Sack Seibold Immediately

[Cliffycomeback]

I have the greatest respect for Matty Ballin, less so for Watmough but I do respect what he did in his playing years, but I have no doubt they’d make a reasonable coaching team.

But I would hate to see these two brought in and then inevitably spat out in 2-3 years when we haven’t had instant success.

For us to be super successful again we need the biggest build in our history , starting in our juniors , and all the way through , loads of cash , great systems , good coaches , building the Manly DNA.

Then we need a very rich benefactor ( or a number of them ) that can get us loads of 3rd party dollars so we can target big name players but still fit them into the legal cap.

Then we need a huge input of cash into our systems , look at what the Storm do and match it , so not just the $5 million from the NRL, think 10-15 million meaning the owner stumps up the difference or rich benefactors do.

Then we need to pinch the best recruitment team , pay them big dollars if we have to and it needs to include links into Queensland.

Then we can target a decent up and coming coach , who would bring with him new dynamic assistants.

Then with the systems right , the juniors running well & available funds we’ll start to attract big name players to supplement our juniors.

Then , and only then , will we be a force again.

I like what Benji has been able to do at the Tigers. They were an absolute basket case before he took over. He is building nicely and I like the way he goes about his business. When Galvin publicly shat on the club he demoted him to reserve grade before giving him the flick. He has also attracted very good senior players, seemingly off the back of his standing in the game. When Galvin and Da Silva wanted out, he kept the team focused on the vision he has for the club.

If Ballin and co are even a chance of doing something similar I am all in. I have never been more despondent about this club than I am right now with Seibs at the wheel. When Barrett was here we had a bunch of guys in their prime and a young Turbo. What do we have now?

 

[Fred]

Jake Trbo for coach

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Not sure though that you've done anything other than make a rich kid's wish list.

We'll never be the richest club again. Pretty sure though, that everything on your list is available to the Broncos according to your tales of their thoroughbreds and it hasn't got them to the top since 2006. We've won two since then!

We just need to find our own way

The Donkeys have their own set of issues , mainly the control the old boys have held.

They have every single other thing you could possibly need / want.

And yes you’re correct , even with that they haven’t been a success.

Maguire is battling them now ( the old boys) if he remains they’ll have lost their powers , if he gets sacked you’ll know they’ve won again.

 

[The Who]

The Donkeys have their own set of issues , mainly the control the old boys have held.

They have every single other thing you could possibly need / want.

And yes you’re correct , even with that they haven’t been a success.

Maguire is battling them now ( the old boys) if he remains they’ll have lost their powers , if he gets sacked you’ll know they’ve won again.

The difference is that our 'old boys' are still suiting up!

 

[Cliffycomeback]

The difference is that our 'old boys' are still suiting up!

Brilliant and sad.

 

[Phobia]

If Ballin was given the reins, it would only make sense from a Des 2004 position. That we are a club losing like ten first graders over the off-season, we can't attract anyone as it is, and we need to lose a bit in order to rebuild around the youth. A genuine, total reset. Not like the Barret to Des, or Des to Seibold transitions. If Ballin does want this job, that's what he has to put out there.

I honestly think this is the best course of action, but I don't think Penn would go along with it. We need mediocrity now and forever according to him. It's all about margins. If you spend several years in the gutter, then win a prem, would we earn more money than just eternally coming 8th?

If I was pipe dreaming, and not giving a **** about short term success, I would kill for:

Head Coach: Matt Ballin
Assistant Coach: Choc Watmough
Assistant Coach: Kieran Foran

Maybe if Jake retires, make him the wrestle/defence coach.

We won't go so well to begin with, but at least we'd have a sort of vision. Losing matters more than winning to Penn, so it won't happen.

 

[Nordburg]

If Ballin was given the reins, it would only make sense from a Des 2004 position. That we are a club losing like ten first graders over the off-season, we can't attract anyone as it is, and we need to lose a bit in order to rebuild around the youth. A genuine, total reset. Not like the Barret to Des, or Des to Seibold transitions. If Ballin does want this job, that's what he has to put out there.

I honestly think this is the best course of action, but I don't think Penn would go along with it. We need mediocrity now and forever according to him. It's all about margins. If you spend several years in the gutter, then win a prem, would we earn more money than just eternally coming 8th?

If I was pipe dreaming, and not giving a **** about short term success, I would kill for:

Head Coach: Matt Ballin
Assistant Coach: Choc Watmough
Assistant Coach: Kieran Foran

Maybe if Jake retires, make him the wrestle/defence coach.

We won't go so well to begin with, but at least we'd have a sort of vision. Losing matters more than winning to Penn, so it won't happen.

So three ex players that have no experience running a top grade team at any level,whether that be NRL,SL or NSW/Q Cup? I think some people need to stop thinking that someone with Manly DNA is the only way forward

 

[Phobia]

So three ex players that have no experience running a top grade team at any level,whether that be NRL,SL or NSW/Q Cup? I think some people need to stop thinking that someone with Manly DNA is the only way forward

The experience would come ala Benji Marshall at the Tigers. It would not be pretty. I'm not saying it will guarantee success either, but at least it's recognising that what we're going through now isn't good.

Right now, and throughout this year, we have appeared to been in a state of denial, that we are a top 4 team. We are not. We have some serious problems ahead.

Instead, the owners and CEO wish to gloss over this, and now make another signing that won't break the bank, and will just keep us mediocre, in Klemmer. Except, this time, we actually have the cap space for someone like Mooney.

As I said, this scenario would have literally zero care factor for short term success. Hence, a pipe dream, not possible with these owners. They aren't willing to risk bottom four performances for future success, but they have no real ambition to make the Top 4 either.

Say what you want about this coaching team, I'm sure they'd actually push back against Penn, and try to get him to spend as much as possible. They would also have the goodwill of the fans, that Seibold has been unable to earn.

 

[madmax]

I like what Benji has been able to do at the Tigers. They were an absolute basket case before he took over. He is building nicely and I like the way he goes about his business. When Galvin publicly shat on the club he demoted him to reserve grade before giving him the flick. He has also attracted very good senior players, seemingly off the back of his standing in the game. When Galvin and Da Silva wanted out, he kept the team focused on the vision he has for the club.

If Ballin and co are even a chance of doing something similar I am all in. I have never been more despondent about this club than I am right now with Seibs at the wheel. When Barrett was here we had a bunch of guys in their prime and a young Turbo. What do we have now?

When Barrett was here??? Yeah & we still did SFA!!!

 

[bob dylan]

In the Mole. Not sure if this is old news or not. But Choc is behind the move to sack seidud and replace him with Matty Ballin. Apparently both choc and ballin are managed by mimis. Interesting times ahead.

Yeah I am not buying it.

I am always concerned about AW motives. It's the Eels thing, I admit it.

If it was Brent Kite or Daniel Gartnet or Jason King etc I might be more inclined to take notice.

 

[Cliffycomeback]

When Barrett was here??? Yeah & we still did SFA!!!

Yes, but that's not what I am referring to. Even though Barrett was crap I was able to lift my outlook for the future because we still had some great players in their prime and young guns like Turbo, Schuster and Fainu coming through. I don't have that same positivity when I look at our current squad.

 

[madmax]

Yes, but that's not what I am referring to. Even though Barrett was crap I was able to lift my outlook for the future because we still had some great players in their prime and young guns like Turbo, Schuster and Fainu coming through. I don't have that same positivity when I look at our current squad.

Trbo WAS a young gun, Schuster is ill & Fainu decided to play with sharp instruments. I believe we currently have a better crop of young guns….Koula, Lehi, Simpkin, Olakau’atu, Walsh, Large, Hart……

 

[Cliffycomeback]

So three ex players that have no experience running a top grade team at any level,whether that be NRL,SL or NSW/Q Cup? I think some people need to stop thinking that someone with Manly DNA is the only way forward

What are the secret things that they supposedly don't know about running a team? In the example used by Phobia hd has listed four ex Manly players who are all super competitive and have played at the highest levels including SOO. I always chuckle at the old how can they run a team rubbish. How is Benji doing it? As if gaining years of experience as an assistant is somehow a prerequisite for success. These guys have been around this stuff their entire lives. The four guys he suggested would be a MASSIVE step up from Seibs in my opinion.

 

[47MVEagle]

Sounds like Watmough has ground his personal axe & it's somehow managed to affect the club right up to first grade!

I'm very wary of any developments that are the result of someone waging a personal battle within the club against someone they don't like, simply because they would be the result of emotion & not rationality.

Considering too that Watmough threw Manly under the bus in a big way when he defected to Parramatta - yes, he has made amends since but I still don't trust him 100% - he's better when he's got his head down & doing his job instead of getting involved in club politics.

 

[Cliffycomeback]

Trbo WAS a young gun, Schuster is ill & Fainu decided to play with sharp instruments. I believe we currently have a better crop of young guns….Koula, Lehi, Simpkin, Olakau’atu, Walsh, Large, Hart……

Maybe if we had a coach like Ricky who backed in the youth. If Seibs is here for two more years I expect some of that youth to be bargained away for Moneyball signings like Weekes etc.

 

[Nordburg]

What are the secret things that they supposedly don't know about running a team? In the example used by Phobia hd has listed four ex Manly players who are all super competitive and have played at the highest levels including SOO. I always chuckle at the old how can they run a team rubbish. How is Benji doing it? As if gaining years of experience as an assistant is somehow a prerequisite for success. These guys have been around this stuff their entire lives. The four guys he suggested would be a MASSIVE step up from Seibs in my opinion.

So Seibold is your benchmark? Where have I said “years of experience as an assistant”? As for Benji,I’d be holding onto that assessment for a little while yet.Definitely an improved performance by the Tigers this year but you’d hope so with the players they have bought into the squad

 

[Cliffycomeback]

So Seibold is your benchmark? Where have I said “years of experience as an assistant”? As for Benji,I’d be holding onto that assessment for a little while yet.Definitely an improved performance by the Tigers this year but you’d hope so with the players they have bought into the squad

No Seibs isn't my benchmark. I just don't buy into the "they can't run a side" narrative. Ballin is an assistant. They have all been coached by successful mentors. They have all sat in multiple press conferences. What are the areas they need to gain experience in?

I'm sorry but it's laughable. Do you think Ennis for example comes in to learn off Seibs? No, he comes in to take on a greater role while Seibs' influence would diminish. I'm yet to hear a new coach say "it was in year four of my assistant coaching that I Knew I was ready." No, they take up these positions to place themselves in the frame. Most assistant coaches or younger coaches are a certain personality type. Strong, respected, not afraid to tell it how it is.

If Ballin is onboard with coming back to Manly it's because he thinks he can do better than what Seibs is doing. Same with Mick Ennis. He won't be taking on a greater role to learn from the guy he's going to take over. He would be thinking he was better equipped to achieve success.

 

[Brookie1973]

If Penn is the tight arse everyone thinks he is, our next coach will be a punt whoever it is. We are not going to get a Cleary/Bellamy type. If we are going to take a punt, I say take it on someone who has some passion for the club. I’d rather lose with some passion/ fire than lose with excuses/cliches.

 

[Wombat64]

The Donkeys have their own set of issues , mainly the control the old boys have held.

They have every single other thing you could possibly need / want.

And yes you’re correct , even with that they haven’t been a success.

Maguire is battling them now ( the old boys) if he remains they’ll have lost their powers , if he gets sacked you’ll know they’ve won again.

Broncos are privately owned club aren't they? I am not trying to be a smart arse but out of interest why do the old ooys hold so much sway up there? Doesn't make sense to me but I hear it al the time on TV as well and I have never understand why?

 

[Cliffycomeback]

Trbo WAS a young gun, Schuster is ill & Fainu decided to pl

So Seibold is your benchmark? Where have I said “years of experience as an assistant”? As for Benji,I’d be holding onto that assessment for a little while yet.Definitely an improved performance by the Tigers this year but you’d hope so with the players they have bought into the squad

What about Slater? Do you think Melbourne will consider signing him when Bellamy retires?