Sack Seibold Immediately

[Tragic Eagle]

How do you measure the success of a NRL head coach nowadays? What are the key indicators outside of simply results. Blaming injuries is like blaming the weather, just like players the coaching staff need to manage adversity. Systems are important and Melbourne and Penrith have excellent systems. It starts with the building of a well balanced top 30 and the Reggies playing the same style of football as the NRL squad thus making the transition for the players brought into the top 17 almost seamless. It comes with having faith in your top 30 outside of the senior playing group and quite frankly running your own show and making selections for the benefit of the team and the club not selections to appease those whose support you think you might need.


Whilst Penrith has a huge junior nursery Melbourne does not and even without Hughes, Solomono and Munster out and a team of no names they continue to win games. For mine the measure is the consistency of performance and whether or not your attack is well structured and clinical yielding points when it should. Good defensive structures and solid game plans which leave some room for some creativity later in the tackle count in the opposition red zone. I don't see this when I watch my team.

Outside of Hoppa who has graduated to become a regular first grader this season from the young guns? No forwards that is for sure. Seibold has lost me and I can't see things getting any better whilst he remains head coach. I would jettison all of the coaching staff and build it up again from the ground up. Every NRL coach must have KPI clauses in their contract. No club in it's right mind would allow themselves to be locked into a 2 or 3 year coaching contract without them. If that has in fact happened here then those responsible should be shown the door.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Whilst Penrith has a huge junior nursery Melbourne does not and even without Hughes, Solomono and Munster out and a team of no names they continue to win games.

No names?? I don't think Melbourne have any no-names!
They've got 4 of the top players in the world (!) plus other top shelf talent (Coates Warbrick NAS Elie Katoa, Utoikamna, Loiero) supported by very solid depth (Meaney, Tui, Blore, King) plus heaps of up-and coming stars such as Anderson, Faalogo, Pezet, Howarth, MacDonald, Chan, Wishart...

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

How do you measure the success of a NRL head coach nowadays? What are the key indicators outside of simply results. Blaming injuries is like blaming the weather, just like players the coaching staff need to manage adversity. Systems are important and Melbourne and Penrith have excellent systems. It starts with the building of a well balanced top 30 and the Reggies playing the same style of football as the NRL squad thus making the transition for the players brought into the top 17 almost seamless. It comes with having faith in your top 30 outside of the senior playing group and quite frankly running your own show and making selections for the benefit of the team and the club not selections to appease those whose support you think you might need.


Whilst Penrith has a huge junior nursery Melbourne does not and even without Hughes, Solomono and Munster out and a team of no names they continue to win games. For mine the measure is the consistency of performance and whether or not your attack is well structured and clinical yielding points when it should. Good defensive structures and solid game plans which leave some room for some creativity later in the tackle count in the opposition red zone. I don't see this when I watch my team.

Outside of Hoppa who has graduated to become a regular first grader this season from the young guns? No forwards that is for sure. Seibold has lost me and I can't see things getting any better whilst he remains head coach. I would jettison all of the coaching staff and build it up again from the ground up. Every NRL coach must have KPI clauses in their contract. No club in it's right mind would allow themselves to be locked into a 2 or 3 year coaching contract without them. If that has in fact happened here then those responsible should be shown the door.

The two clubs you mentioned are pretty unique , and it’s why they are always at the top.

Panthers , massive juniors who ALL want to be a Panther, it’s a fair dinkum production line.

Storm, as I have consistently stated their system is second to none , if we spend the NRL’s 5 million I bet their spend is 15 million, and they have that huge QLD nursery where the juniors from there prioritise their chosen teams as , 1) Storm 2) Broncos 3) Cowboys and the what’s left go to the rest.

Both clubs coaches are first class but a very large part of their success comes from the reasons I mention.

 

[Brookie1973]

How do you measure the success of a NRL head coach nowadays? What are the key indicators outside of simply results. Blaming injuries is like blaming the weather, just like players the coaching staff need to manage adversity. Systems are important and Melbourne and Penrith have excellent systems. It starts with the building of a well balanced top 30 and the Reggies playing the same style of football as the NRL squad thus making the transition for the players brought into the top 17 almost seamless. It comes with having faith in your top 30 outside of the senior playing group and quite frankly running your own show and making selections for the benefit of the team and the club not selections to appease those whose support you think you might need.


Whilst Penrith has a huge junior nursery Melbourne does not and even without Hughes, Solomono and Munster out and a team of no names they continue to win games. For mine the measure is the consistency of performance and whether or not your attack is well structured and clinical yielding points when it should. Good defensive structures and solid game plans which leave some room for some creativity later in the tackle count in the opposition red zone. I don't see this when I watch my team.

Outside of Hoppa who has graduated to become a regular first grader this season from the young guns? No forwards that is for sure. Seibold has lost me and I can't see things getting any better whilst he remains head coach. I would jettison all of the coaching staff and build it up again from the ground up. Every NRL coach must have KPI clauses in their contract. No club in it's right mind would allow themselves to be locked into a 2 or 3 year coaching contract without them. If that has in fact happened here then those responsible should be shown the door.

Good structures and good systems = good coaching.
Having no discernible style of play except relying on the skills of individual players = poor coaching.
Recruiting players that complement your structures and systems = good coaching.
Ad hoc recruiting that plugs holes without recognising the game has changed = poor coaching.

 

[BirdMan4ever]

I look at it like this...

Yes we had injuries as do other teams, however the top coaches have structrues that the new players fill in to a certain level. i.e. Bellamy, he has had been without their star full back and halfback for many games, and got through origin. thier depth players are drilled so that not much changes while they are out .

I believe we have / had the players but have not had the right coach to bring the team spirit, development and wolf pack mentallity that we once had.

The game has moved on , changes are needed to adapt, but many coaches are either too proud or have no idea how to adapt.

 

[Ranga]

Re Melbourne, they clearly have a great system. But the initial investment in the system was built on assembling a squad well over the salary cap. We will never know, but I suspect that the Storm system would not be what it is today without the early years of ‘financial juicing’ and the on field success it bought.

 

[Fibro Eagle]

I look at it like this...

Yes we had injuries as do other teams, however the top coaches have structrues that the new players fill in to a certain level. i.e. Bellamy, he has had been without their star full back and halfback for many games, and got through origin. thier depth players are drilled so that not much changes while they are out .

I believe we have / had the players but have not had the right coach to bring the team spirit, development and wolf pack mentallity that we once had.

The game has moved on , changes are needed to adapt, but many coaches are either too proud or have no idea how to adapt.

I would say Bennett is one of the great coaches look at souths at the moment
It's a tough one ,with Manly they have had some really good wins but have followed up with some dismal performance's
Whether that's the coach, the players ,the administrator
The coach is always the first to get the criticism
Sometimes justifiable sometimes not

 

[Phobia]

Re Melbourne, they clearly have a great system. But the initial investment in the system was built on assembling a squad well over the salary cap. We will never know, but I suspect that the Storm system would not be what it is today without the early years of ‘financial juicing’ and the on field success it bought.

I imagine if Manly ever found a salary cap loophole, we would never use it. Not because we're honest, but because we're cheap.

 

[double hoops]

Re Melbourne, they clearly have a great system. But the initial investment in the system was built on assembling a squad well over the salary cap. We will never know, but I suspect that the Storm system would not be what it is today without the early years of ‘financial juicing’ and the on field success it bought.

Why do you speak as if the juicing has stopped?

 

[double hoops]

What is Manly's competitive advantage?

 

[Brookie1973]

What is Manly's competitive advantage?

Good question. Technically, from a theoretical marketing perspective, we don’t have any.

I’d say our history of success is the one thing that sets us apart, but not sure that translates as an advantage. If we’d taken steps to takeover the old Norths territory up to and including the central coast when the bears folded, that could have given us a massive territorial advantage. But that was squandered, like so many other things. Frankly, not sure how we can compete long term, at least to the level of winning comps.

 

[Cliffycomeback]

Re Melbourne, they clearly have a great system. But the initial investment in the system was built on assembling a squad well over the salary cap. We will never know, but I suspect that the Storm system would not be what it is today without the early years of ‘financial juicing’ and the on field success it bought.

I suspect the juicing is still working in overdrive.

 

[Cliffycomeback]

Good question. Technically, from a theoretical marketing perspective, we don’t have any.

I’d say our history of success is the one thing that sets us apart, but not sure that translates as an advantage. If we’d taken steps to takeover the old Norths territory up to and including the central coast when the bears folded, that could have given us a massive territorial advantage. But that was squandered, like so many other things. Frankly, not sure how we can compete long term, at least to the level of winning comps.

Lifestyle is the advantage. They need to find a way to sell the lifestyle to juniors they want to sign. Invest in a few large homes with beachfront access and get the club back in the business of attracting talent to God's country.

 

[Ranga]

Why do you speak as if the juicing has stopped?

I was more focusing on the establishment of the system and what helped to entrench its foundations.

 

[Brookie1973]

Lifestyle is the advantage. They need to find a way to sell the lifestyle to juniors they want to sign. Invest in a few large homes with beachfront access and get the club back in the business of attracting talent to God's country.

Unfortunately, I’d say our geographic location is a disadvantage more than anything. Too expensive relative to traditional league heartlands, where most of the junior talent resides. We should have invested years ago.

 

[Phobia]

Lifestyle is the advantage. They need to find a way to sell the lifestyle to juniors they want to sign. Invest in a few large homes with beachfront access and get the club back in the business of attracting talent to God's country.

Unless they become a first grader they know they can never afford it.

Roy Masters was a ****ing idiot calling us Silvertails back in the day, but it's true now. The cost of living here if you're not already a homeowner is ridiculous.

Therein lies a significant drawback to us. Any kind of benefit gained from the lifestyle is immediately sucked away by the cost.

E.g. Saab still lives in Southwest Sydney and commutes to Brookvale daily. That's basically what we expect from the young players who don't already have their parents living here. Schuster couldn't afford it until he was on $800k.

 

[Wombat64]

What is Manly's competitive advantage?

Old Plodders ..... one day the wheel will turn and the Plodders of the world will be on top again

 

[The Who]

Unfortunately, I’d say our geographic location is a disadvantage more than anything. Too expensive relative to traditional league heartlands, where most of the junior talent resides. We should have invested years ago.

Easts' manage, and their heartland has the most expensive real estate in Australia.

 

[Cliffycomeback]

Unless they become a first grader they know they can never afford it.

Roy Masters was a ****ing idiot calling us Silvertails back in the day, but it's true now. The cost of living here if you're not already a homeowner is ridiculous.

Therein lies a significant drawback to us. Any kind of benefit gained from the lifestyle is immediately sucked away by the cost.

E.g. Saab still lives in Southwest Sydney and commutes to Brookvale daily. That's basically what we expect from the young players who don't already have their parents living here. Schuster couldn't afford it until he was on $800k.

Having five or six beachfront homes where players like Saab could live would be very attractive I imagine. Unfortunately, our owners seem to have zero interest in any such investment. Something which has been rightly pointed out by many on here.

 

[Brookie1973]

Easts' manage, and their heartland has the most expensive real estate in Australia.

As is usually the answer with the roosters - Uncle Nick.