Sack Seibold Immediately

[SeaEagleRock8]

Seibold should be allowed 2026 to prove himself because next year is the truly enormous change in the club, the first time without DCE in ten years. DCE affected our golden generation to the point where there was nothing to follow. His position at the centre of our team and as sometime captain cannot be underestimated in establishing and maintaining the culture of the place.

Next year Seibold has an entirely different landscape to work with: no DCE and more money available.

He understands the club, the culture, and the personnel much more than he would have initially and, while there really are no other options, he should be given this chance.

Agree. Assuming Manly finishes off the year with tough, spirited footy.

 

[SeaEagle007]

Seibold should be allowed 2026 to prove himself because next year is the truly enormous change in the club, the first time without DCE in ten years. DCE affected our golden generation to the point where there was nothing to follow. His position at the centre of our team and as sometime captain cannot be underestimated in establishing and maintaining the culture of the place.

Next year Seibold has an entirely different landscape to work with: no DCE and more money available.

He understands the club, the culture, and the personnel much more than he would have initially and, while there really are no other options, he should be given this chance.

Wow your a sucker for punishment

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Seibold should be allowed 2026 to prove himself because next year is the truly enormous change in the club, the first time without DCE in ten years. DCE affected our golden generation to the point where there was nothing to follow. His position at the centre of our team and as sometime captain cannot be underestimated in establishing and maintaining the culture of the place.

Next year Seibold has an entirely different landscape to work with: no DCE and more money available.

He understands the club, the culture, and the personnel much more than he would have initially and, while there really are no other options, he should be given this chance.

Nicely reasoned, thank you! Seib's has also overseen the introduction to the club of a number of promising younger players and next year we're likely to see some of them pushing into NRL.

 

[Cliffycomeback]

Seibold should be allowed 2026 to prove himself because next year is the truly enormous change in the club, the first time without DCE in ten years. DCE affected our golden generation to the point where there was nothing to follow. His position at the centre of our team and as sometime captain cannot be underestimated in establishing and maintaining the culture of the place.

Next year Seibold has an entirely different landscape to work with: no DCE and more money available.

He understands the club, the culture, and the personnel much more than he would have initially and, while there really are no other options, he should be given this chance.

I'm not so certain he gets to go again if we miss the finals. His budget recruiting has been way off the mark in several areas since he took over. Retention wise we probably should have found a way to keep Samuela Fainu and Kao Weekes. The best clubs are ruthless and just get things done irrespective of player managers etc. Look at the Storm and Panthers, they have depth in every position. We currently have two backrowers in our top 30.

Seibs has erred when it comes to signing those lower tier guys like Jaemen Salmon, Zak Hosking, Klese Haas, Josiah Pahulu etc. If he can't get this right, why should he be trusted with the bigger signings? The best way to know what kind of money management skills a person has is to watch what they do with the loose change.

If he gets us to the finals he earns the right to go again.

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

Yes I think we have to persevere with Seibold.

Any Manly coach in recent times would have had a **** sandwich on their plate. Just ask Tooves, Des or Seibold:

1. DCE running the club;
2. Schuster’s manager sharing management duties with DCE;
3. Scott Penn thinking he is running the club (and making a meal of it);
4. The J-T-Burbo family thinking they run the club;
5. The Fulton kids temporarily gifted the club, courtesy of dad; and
5. The Fainu family previously thinking they ran the club.

However, Tony Mestrov is a good marketing man. The financial bottom line looks pretty good. The new sports business academy looks like a good initiative.

Not sure just yet if he is a good all-round CEO. The most recent DCE saga left him with egg on his face.

A lot there to deal with.

Edit: in saying all that, there are some green shoots appearing. The CoS and the BFS are great additions to the club and our home ground.

As mentioned, the new sports business academy is a great initiative, which hopefully bears some strategic fruit (from Manly’s perspective) in years to come. Well done to Tony Mestrov and co. on that front.

The LC seems to be doing well. The mergers with DY Bowls and the confirmed merger with the Chatswood Club are good initiatives. The latter in particular gives Manly (presumably) a stake in some very valuable real estate.

 

[47MVEagle]

It was just my less than subtle dig at those who defend the coach on the basis there are no viable alternatives, while continually complaining about the owner where the exact same situation applies, even more so. Your point is exactly right. The owner is here to stay, so what’s the point in continually complaining about it.

LOL WAT 😂😂😂

You’re seriously comparing asking who you would replace Seibold with from a very limited pool of NRL coaches, to asking who you would replace the owner of the club with from a HUGE pool of unknown millionaires/billionaires spread across the world?

That has to be one of the most ridiculous comparisons I’ve ever encountered 😂

I know you think you’ve made some sort of point but that’s just plain sToOPid 😂

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

There’s buyers already but the Penn’s don’t want to sell, as I have intimated on here they are very probably now getting a pretty good return on investment , so from a purely “ return on investment “ proposition it’s a nice little earner.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Yes I think we have to persevere with Seibold.

Any Manly coach in recent times would have had a **** sandwich on their plate. Just ask Tooves, Des or Seibold:

1. DCE running the club;
2. Schuster’s manager sharing management duties with DCE;
3. Scott Penn thinking he is running the club (and making a meal of it);
4. The J-T-Burbo family thinking they run the club;
5. The Fulton kids temporarily gifted the club, courtesy of dad; and
5. The Fainu family previously thinking they ran the club.

However, Tony Mestrov is a good marketing man. The financial bottom line looks pretty good. The new sports business academy looks like a good initiative.

Not sure just yet if he is a good all-round CEO. The most recent DCE saga left him with egg on his face.

A lot there to deal with.

Edit: in saying all that, there are some green shoots appearing. The CoS and the BFS are great additions to the club and our home ground.

As mentioned, the new sports business academy is a great initiative, which hopefully bears some strategic fruit (from Manly’s perspective) in years to come. Well done to Tony Mestrov and co. on that front.

The LC seems to be doing well. The mergers with DY Bowls and the confirmed merger with the Chatswood Club are good initiatives. The latter in particular gives Manly (presumably) a stake in some very valuable real estate.

Good points all, but I think the writing is on the wall for Seibold, which means the coaching circus will continue ( they are the greatest scapegoats after all ).

I see the latest from Fox Sports is a move to bring Ballin back , that’ll make the ASC froth with joy ( but wonder has Fox actually asked Ballin would he return to Sydney ??).

 

[Heckenberg]

Yep

As I have continually banged on about , when you have an owner who is now making a fair return on investment ( complete supposition by me ) based on,

A) salary cap pays all player wages (but as we know it’s whats spent otherwise that gets the guns ).
B) football department grant covers 5 million in costs , the fact that some might spend twice or three times that doesn’t mean we do ( I’m sure we don’t ),
C) so the owners costs are covered leaving them ticket sales , memberships , merchandise & hospitality to make money out of , and in that front the Penn’s are doing very nicely ( complete supposition by me but I wouldn’t be far off ).

So riddle me this , it’s the fans who crave success , the owner is happy to have a competitive team, making the finals is great but once they do that the NRL own the funds generated , so purely on a ROI as long as they are buying more memberships , and filling the venue Penn is rubbing his hands together, so why would Penn want to top up everything and say add another 10 million into the kitty to create more success ???

The answer is , he doesn’t.

So matters **** all if we do get the greatest young coach , without the extra investment nothing will change.

Bloke should take some ****ing pride in owning this great club and if he only cares to be invited to the party he should onsell it to someone that wants to win. Sick of how mediocre we have become since his takeover.

 

[jbb/james]

Coaches make players
Players make coaches
Both are true

Manly has a little bit of coach killer in its DNA . Love Des or hate him, it was like everyone took one step back except for Des when the they were looking for volunteers to slaughter for Rainbow gate
Onya own, onya own, onya own

Anyway
Whatever you want to align yourself too. I like the idea of seibs to coach for a couple more years, groom a successor coach with the squad
Also , ensure he is very clear on what is meant by Groom, maybe have HR sit in

But Manly need to invest in both seibs and the future as assistant ASAP.
Build there knowledge, and confidence. Ensure the hand over of culture is smooth.Get a very clear succession plan, get the players on board with the succession. Build careers together

Then gracefully make the change and keep seibs as head of footy
He seems quite well suited to a footy club and maybe he could still be a very big asset in future.

While his youth policy is a couple of years too early for some supporters, being many are a bit young and away off, when a young crop emerges together it can be a mighty boost to the squad and the cap management. Key spine positions and forwards seem to be tagets. If they bring the culture as well as the experience

There is a kittle bit of “this **** might all come together” in a few years

I dont think he loves the old guys its just that our team just keeps buckling and he is looking to instill better leadership into the squad as we are weak and have little coin

Harden up and we might be able to gamble with more youth

 

[madmax]

Good points all, but I think the writing is on the wall for Seibold, which means the coaching circus will continue ( they are the greatest scapegoats after all ).

I see the latest from Fox Sports is a move to bring Ballin back , that’ll make the ASC froth with joy ( but wonder has Fox actually asked Ballin would he return to Sydney ??).

Apparently there are a number of ex premiership winning players pushing for Ballin to take over. Also a number of current players on the bandwagon! I think Siebold is aware of the situation, hence his subtle hint about moving in to a directorate role?? Not so bad as I think he’d make a good Head of Football! He seems to have many ideas moving forward just not the cattle or dollars! Just my thoughts….

 

[Brookie1973]

Penn isn’t the richest owner but he isn’t going anywhere, no matter how much moaning people do on here. But hey, let’s keep the moaning going. Even more illogically, let’s use that as a reason to keep a coach in the job.

Also, any chance we can dispense with the juvenile ASS/ASC name calling? According to the poll on this thread, 72% are in that group. That’s a big ASS.

 

[manly al]

Naturally can not judge the coaching ability in the N R L of previously being in charge of a lower grade side and then being considered at i st grade level but had the impression that Balin did not go too well at all coaching the Manly 20 "s a few seasons ago
Only issue i might have with Manly 's attack right now is maybe still some unnecessary one out plays in the mid set stage but apart from a few exceptions , Manly do not have any major problems scoring points .
That at times quite fragile defence still the big deficiency and mainly put that down to some individual player"s attitude and lack of application .
in terms of the future , think more along the lines of a Holbrook , Hannay or Peters as switched on , modern adaptable type coaches with quite a bit to offer
Unless things collapse drastically towards season "s end or into early next season for Manly "s on field performances however , can still see Seibold lasting until the end of 26

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Bloke should take some ****ing pride in owning this great club and if he only cares to be invited to the party he should onsell it to someone that wants to win. Sick of how mediocre we have become since his takeover.

And therein lies the real issue

Toovey
Barrett
Hasler
Seibold
?????

Have all , and will all , suffer the same fate.

They’ll underperform , the fans will be in uproar , they’ll be sacked and the cycle will continue.

Everyone wants to blame the coach but I’m here to say , he’s only part of the problem.

 

[Cliffycomeback]

Good points all, but I think the writing is on the wall for Seibold, which means the coaching circus will continue ( they are the greatest scapegoats after all ).

I see the latest from Fox Sports is a move to bring Ballin back , that’ll make the ASC froth with joy ( but wonder has Fox actually asked Ballin would he return to Sydney ??).

I'm not part of the ASC but I will start frothing if we appoint a Manly coach. If Seibs gets us into the finals he should definitely continue. If not then I'm a PMC member all the way.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

I'm not part of the ASC but I will start frothing if we appoint a Manly coach. If Seibs gets us into the finals he should definitely continue. If not then I'm a PMC member all the way.

Sadly I think Matt is a long way from a first grade coach , he was tried in the lower grades at Manly but wasn’t a success ( from a source I still have ), some can be great players , but not necessarily great coaches.

He’s working his way through the Brisbane system so may well be good at some point.

But I’m not sure this would be a step forward as he’s still have all the other issues to struggle with so I’d even be doubtful if he’d consider it ( although he might ).

 

[Cliffycomeback]

No, I don't think a third reiteration of Des would work for a variety of reasons. But Desmond 1.0 is the prototype coach who might get us back up to the pointy end of the table despite our present disadvantages. A coach who bleeds maroon and white having also tasted success as a player. I like Ballin with the right support. He is doing a coaching apprenticeship and is a renowned fitness freak and two time premiership winner the same as Des.

If the Fox segment is factual it appears Manly players past and present like Ballin also.

I appreciate that the article ends by declaring that Seibs can stop the noise by winning. Get us into the eight and everything goes quiet, earning him the right to go again.

 

[jbb/james]

No disrespect to matty b but when they announced on fix old manly players liked ballin, i kind of felt like when tallis sticks up for kevvie walters aas a coach . Understand but a bit cheesy

 

[Phobia]

Also, any chance we can dispense with the juvenile ASS/ASC name calling?

LMAO you of all people criticising name calling. Pot calling kettle black much? Could've sworn you were once calling the coach a term... Something to do with a wooden instrument...

I think all that can be said about the owner or the coach has been said/rehashed on here enough. Personally, my only hope is that Mestrov is as good of a manager as I hope he is. There's been some changes already, but I think time is the only thing that can guarantee results.

This, right now, is just a waiting period for the club. The juniors aren't up to speed yet, and the old people aren't quite gone yet.

The other thing, Ballin said to Seibold himself, that he wants to return to Sydney. I personally wouldn't throw him in the deep end, and make him a head coach yet. You need a lot of coaching experience, at least reserve grade, U'20's, or taking over after a coach is sacked, before coming into the picture. "Manly DNA" isn't enough anymore. See 2015 and 2020. Over the past decade the game has changed significantly, and it just isn't enough anymore.

The two exceptions to that rule are products of Bellamy's system, and even then, Seibold was just the fill-in who took over after Madge was sacked at the Rabbitohs.

Ballin doesn't have enough experience IMO, and neither does Ennis, to be anywhere near the conversation.

 

[Cliffycomeback]

LMAO you of all people criticising name calling. Pot calling kettle black much? Could've sworn you were once calling the coach a term... Something to do with a wooden instrument...

I think all that can be said about the owner or the coach has been said/rehashed on here enough. Personally, my only hope is that Mestrov is as good of a manager as I hope he is. There's been some changes already, but I think time is the only thing that can guarantee results.

This, right now, is just a waiting period for the club. The juniors aren't up to speed yet, and the old people aren't quite gone yet.

The other thing, Ballin said to Seibold himself, that he wants to return to Sydney. I personally wouldn't throw him in the deep end, and make him a head coach yet. You need a lot of coaching experience, at least reserve grade, U'20's, or taking over after a coach is sacked, before coming into the picture. "Manly DNA" isn't enough anymore. See 2015 and 2020. Over the past decade the game has changed significantly, and it just isn't enough anymore.

The two exceptions to that rule are products of Bellamy's system, and even then, Seibold was just the fill-in who took over after Madge was sacked at the Rabbitohs.

Ballin doesn't have enough experience IMO, and neither does Ennis, to be anywhere near the conversation.

The way I see it is there is nothing much revolutionary about coaching these days because of the saturated coverage of every single game. Ballin, Bellamy, Seibold, Bennett, Cleary, they know how to run training drills and present a game plan to footy players. Everyone, including us fans can see Penrith, Canterbury and Melbourne play a similar high intensity grinding style of footy. The Raiders and Warriors are more expansive etc. But the the fundamentals to achieving victory remain the same.

I believe coaching is as much about setting standards and getting a response out of players when a season is on the line. Or continuing to push hard like Parramatta are doing while in a rebuild under Ryles despite being out of finals contention. A good example was how the players responded to Cleary after the loss to Newcastle. The coach must have a voice that makes the squad believe and inspire them to greater heights. That's my take on the coaching conundrum.