Sack Seibold Immediately

[BOZO]

Indeed.
To all the people saying Sack Seibs immediately, that's fine, but who do you think Manly would replace him with?
Let's call the next saviour Coach Joe ... so, precisely how long do you think it would be until we had a proliferation of Sack Joe threads here on ST?
I predict... not very long!

All the coaches that we signed were not saviours
Do you call Barret a Saviour ?
Do you Call Des Mark 2 a Saviour ?
Do you call Seibold a Saviour ?
The Answer is NO and this is obvious by the way they have been performing
Saviours get sung in Praise Losers get Sack Joe Silvertail threads

So what are our options you say ?
Do we stick with the 7 minute Noodle Lectures and No Solutions Crisis Coach
Or do we Source a more promising Option ?
The smarter option is the second option
Who would replace our current crisis coach ?
Smart recruiters at clubs have always found their man
The question is ?
Do we have any smart people at the Manly club?
Because the ones that recruited Seibold are not that smart

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

By your logic, the Bulldogs would still have Barrett as coach. Ciraldo was just another assistant coach at the Panthers, so presumably under your selection criteria he would not have even been interviewed.

Come on you're smarter than that Brookie! That's not my logic at all
I was referring to the fact that rookie or not, Gus identified Ciraldo as the one they wanted, and they moved to try to get him.
You can go with your job applications and interviews if you like, I don't agree (including for the reason I mentioned)

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Or do we Source a more promising Option ?

Yes please. Who have you got?

 

[BOZO]

Come on you're smarter than that Brookie! That's not my logic at all
I was referring to the fact that rookie or not, Gus identified Ciraldo as the one they wanted, and they moved to try to get him.

I agree with your logic feathered friend
I totally get it
Smart people identify talented people

 

[Brookie1973]

Come on you're smarter than that Brookie! That's not my logic at all
I was referring to the fact that rookie or not, Gus identified Ciraldo as the one they wanted, and they moved to try to get him.
You can go with your job applications and interviews if you like, I don't agree (including for the reason I mentioned)

So “identifying” by the Football Manager is ok, but having the CEO/Football Manager go through a selection process to identify someone is silly. Maybe just as silly as continually asking numpties on a fan site who should be the next coach, and if they can’t come up with someone you find acceptable, think that proves your point that we can’t get rid of the current coach.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

So “identifying” by the Football Manager is ok, but having the CEO/Football Manager go through a selection process to identify someone is silly.

I wouldn't think the selection process you described earlier is the way to go. Silly? Yeah probably

Maybe just as silly as continually asking numpties on a fan site who should be the next coach, and if they can’t come up with someone you find acceptable, think that proves your point that we can’t get rid of the current coach.

Why on earth do you say my point is that we can't get rid of the current coach????

Come on you're smarter than that Brookie!

Starting to think I've overestimated you!

 

[BOZO]

Yes please. Who have you got?

Who have I Got ?

When you want to get a loaf of Bread you dont ask the Butcher . You ask the Baker and you get what you want ,

I have told you before
I am not a professional club recruiter
Ask all the competent professional paid recruiters at the clubs that get the job done and get their man

All we need now is for @Wombat64 to post a meme of Mestrov the Butcher who Butchered our premiership Winning hopes by not only signing but also Extending Seibold

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Indeed.
To all the people saying Sack Seibs immediately, that's fine, but who do you think Manly would replace him with?
Let's call the next saviour Coach Joe ... so, precisely how long do you think it would be until we had a proliferation of Sack Joe threads here on ST?
I predict... not very long!

I really laugh at these threads , until we get the next “ SuperCoach “ and suddenly have a bunch of the next “ SuperStars” and then are winning all bar 2 games a year finishing with the minor premiership most of the “ Seidud “ crew won’t be happy.

I’m not “ Pro Seibold “ , he’s struggling with an injured / aging list set up somewhat by the previous coach but affected by the clubs inability to recruit champions ( some of that due to funds), but is very much affected by a general lack of money like the wealthy clubs have.

Is it any wonder the Bulldogs are successful , or the Roosters, or Melbourne , they literally have money dripping from trees.

So yeah let’s get another coach , another CEO, but even with that until we have a huge money tree we’ll be also rans , perennially , and the “ Seidud “ crew will just convert to the “ Balldud “ / “Kingdud “ crew and it’ll be rinse & repeat.

 

[BirdMan4ever]

IMO - failure has been both by the coaches and playing roster we have been dealt with.

• all coaches have failed to bring the best out of our players,
• the players had / have failed to excell both physically and mentally
• the DCE, turbo's lob sided salary holdings have had a lot to do with all the above that

 

[BOZO]

I’m not “ Pro Seibold “ , he’s struggling

You finally see the light

You finally see The Struggling Seibold

We do have a few things that we are agree on feathered friend

 

[BOZO]

IMO - failure has been both by the coaches and playing roster we have been dealt with.

• all coaches have failed to bring the best out of our players,
• the players had / have failed to excell both physically and mentally
• the DCE, turbo's lob sided salary holdings have had a lot to do with all the above that

Who accepts the playing roster and get paid to lift performance
THE COACH
Who manages the players roster
THE COACH
Who is responsible for the Success or Crisis of their team
THE COACH

The moral of the Story
THE BUCK STOPS AT THE COACH

 

[Brookie1973]

I wouldn't think the selection process you described earlier is the way to go. Silly? Yeah probably

Why on earth do you say my point is that we can't get rid of the current coach????


Starting to think I've overestimated you!

Putting aside your completely misplaced condescension, I must admit I am somewhat confused as to what your position is, and I suspect you may be in the same boat.

To help you clarify in your own mind what you actually believe, how about we try some simple questions;

1. Do you believe Seibold should be sacked (Y/N)
2. If not, why not?
3. If yes, great, who do you suggest we “identify” as a replacement?
4. Do you think fans are the best judges when selecting a new coach (given you continually ask this question on every second “sack Seibold” thread)?
5. Do you think a new owner would make Seibold a better coach?

Hope these are helpful.

Cheers

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

IMO - failure has been both by the coaches and playing roster we have been dealt with.

• all coaches have failed to bring the best out of our players,
• the players had / have failed to excell both physically and mentally
• the DCE, turbo's lob sided salary holdings have had a lot to do with all the above that

That’s a fair comment ( comments ), and an aging roster who are perennially injured hasn’t helped.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

1. Do you believe Seibold should be sacked (Y/N)
2. If not, why not?
3. If yes, great, who do you suggest we “identify” as a replacement?
4. Do you think fans are the best judges when selecting a new coach (given you continually ask this question on every second “sack Seibold” thread)?
5. Do you think a new owner would make Seibold a better coach?

1. Do you believe Seibold should be sacked (Y/N) No, not based on the season so far. If he's lost the players and the season is in crisis, then maybe but... Last week the Broncos were in crisis (according to reputable media sources) this week it's Manly. If the season goes up in flames I'm happy to reconsider
2. If not, why not? I just said
3. If yes, great, who do you suggest we “identify” as a replacement?
4. Do you think fans are the best judges when selecting a new coach (given you continually ask this question on every second “sack Seibold” thread)? Of course [although you and Bozo are the only one's I've asked that question of]
5. Do you think a new owner would make Seibold a better coach? I think by everyone's definition of a good coach (winning games) then a new owner could make him a better or a worse coach. And yes i do think our current owner is not ideal, much rather see the club majority owned by the FC under some sort of community joint venture set up

 

[Ohgeez]

Who accepts the playing roster and get paid to lift performance
THE COACH
Who manages the players roster

The worst contracts we have that have all our money tied up were done by the previous coach

 

[BOZO]

I must admit I am somewhat confused

There is absolutely no confusion on the poor Decision that the Manly club has made with our head coach and the Crisis Direction our club has taken with that poor Decision

 

[Brookie1973]

1. Do you believe Seibold should be sacked (Y/N) No, not based on the season so far. If he's lost the players and the season is in crisis, then maybe but... Last week the Broncos were in crisis (according to reputable media sources) this week it's Manly. If the season goes up in flames I'm happy to reconsider
2. If not, why not? I just said
3. If yes, great, who do you suggest we “identify” as a replacement?
4. Do you think fans are the best judges when selecting a new coach (given you continually ask this question on every second “sack Seibold” thread)? Of course [although you and Bozo are the only one's I've asked that question of]
5. Do you think a new owner would make Seibold a better coach? I think by everyone's definition of a good coach (winning games) then a new owner could make him a better or a worse coach. And yes i do think our current owner is not ideal, much rather see the club majority owned by the FC under some sort of community joint venture set up

Great. I know it’s difficult being the one answering rather than asking questions (especially when you’re not used to it), but I think sometimes it’s helpful. It does raise some further questions in my mind, such as what would constitute a “crisis” (a loss to the Tigers?) and how having the FC owning the team would make Seibold a better coach, but let’s put that aside for now. Ultimately, its results that will determine the outcome, not forum posters.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Ultimately, its results that will determine the outcome, not forum posters.

Rubbish!

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

such as what would constitute a “crisis” (a loss to the Tigers?)

I don't know what a crisis is but I'll know if I see one!
So far I see media reports of crisis. As I said, last week it was Broncos, they get a good win and I haven't heard a peep about the Broncos since.
We're barely half way through the season!

All of you who have given up on this year may well be right, but I think the inquest is premature because the patient is still breathing

 

[BOZO]

The worst contracts we have that have all our money tied up were done by the previous coach

And our Current coach that was paid to get Manly back on track Has only got us into Crisis

Three wrongs dont make a right
(1).Barett
(2). Declining Des Mark
(3) The 7 minute Noodle Lecturer Seibold who blames everything and anyone accept him self


The Moral of the Manly Story
Hire the right coach and get the Right Results in a Results Driven Business