Round 4 YART

[winnyason]

So is Lussick back as well next week, we have options seen enough of Hastings he utility for year while lane size hard to handle.
Frank fair enough good game tonight not sold but neither am I with siro either.

 

[Freagle]

Tough one. Api will be suspended i think.

01. Tom Trbojevic
02. Jorge Taufua
03. Brian Kelly
04. Dylan Walker
05. Akuila Uate
06. Blake Green
07. Daly Cherry-Evans
08. Brenton Lawrence
09. Jackson Hastings
10. Nate Myles
11. Marty Taupau
12. Curtis Sironen
13. Jake Trbojevic

14. Frank Winterstein/Cullen
15. Addin Fonua-Blake
16. Darcy Lussick
17. Shaun Lane/Cullen

On tonights performance.. i would keep Frank over Lane but over the first two rounds i wasnt impressed. I think Sironen will come good.. he got better as the game went on today.. looks down on confidence.. would persist. Against the dogs.. not sure we need Cullen.. so maybe the bigger forwards better way to go?

Good problem to have. Darcy just got back.. probably wont get many minutes.. so bench for him. Imagine him and AFB coming on against tired players.

Bear in mind though, Curtis was playing closer to the middle since we lacked big bodies there. Took a lot of hit ups.

 

[pjayz]

Spot on except Sironen. Winterstein runs harder and hits harder. Sironen has looked very disinterested.

First two rounds for sure; however, I thought he played really well tonight.

 

[Mataiforever]

So is Lussick back as well next week, we have options seen enough of Hastings he utility for year while lane size hard to handle.
Frank fair enough good game tonight not sold but neither am I with siro either.

i like hastings as a player and was good last night but i still feel cullen should own that 14 jumper

 

[Blucky]

Anyone notice how every YART today has the same 1-7 ? They suddenly pick themselves

 

[Loobs]

Siro is here to be the ball pkayin forward, not an up the middle guy. With the boppers back next week he should be free to do his thing and be judged off that, not what he's had to do the last couple of weeks. That's not his game.

 

[damiennp90]

Lowe = 158m / 15 runs tackles = 23
Hess = 143m / 14 runs. Tackles = 22

Siro = 73 / 9 runs tackles = 19
Wint = 72 / 9 runs tackles = 20

So these were their numbers. Ok Cows had 52 % possession.

And they both had good moments. They just don't put in for the whole game. As Manly we've always relied more on wingers making metres. And I don't mind if it's a G Stewart type of played setting up try's.

But if their not making more tackles. Why are they making less runs.

 

[Woodsie]

Sorry fellas, any yart that has Kapow in the 2nd Row is (how can I say this diplomatically) .... well it is just plain stupid.

We now have 4 genuine contenders for 2nd row in Siro, Winterstein, Bainbridge and Lane and you (be diplomatic Woodsie) you clowns want to dramatically weaken our front row rotation.

If I wasn't so sensitive and diplomatic I would probably call you irrelevant and ignorant .... but that's not my go.

 

[Woodsie]

Lowe = 158m / 15 runs tackles = 23
Hess = 143m / 14 runs. Tackles = 22

Siro = 73 / 9 runs tackles = 19
Wint = 72 / 9 runs tackles = 20

So these were their numbers. Ok Cows had 52 % possession.

And they both had good moments. They just don't put in for the whole game. As Manly we've always relied more on wingers making metres. And I don't mind if it's a G Stewart type of played setting up try's.

But if their not making more tackles. Why are they making less runs.

It was not so much the number of tackles that our 2nd rowers made that made our defence so good but the structure and pattern of it. Tired players can't keep getting into the line or make that extra effort to make that must make tackle.

When it counted both Siro and Winterstein were there.

also attacking patterns also influence tackle stats ... we tended to attack their edges bringing their 2nd rowers into play with runs by Jorge and Uate while they tended to attack up our middle leaving our 2nd rowers out of it.

 

[Midnight Rambler]

Winterstein with that huge physique, is struggling to crack the 100 mtr mark? If Lane comes on in the next few weeks, he could potentially start in that position. Hastings id like to see in the halves, he's busy & a hell of a lot more dangerous than Green too.

 

[Hgbcds]

Have a

Bear in mind though, Curtis was playing closer to the middle since we lacked big bodies there. Took a lot of hit ups.

look at sirronen when they score there only try. Not on for first grade

 

[Freagle]

Have a

look at sirronen when they score there only try. Not on for first grade

I watched the replay last night. He made two try-saving tackles as well as that, including one of our many hold-ups over the line. Showed some ticker.

 

[Mataiforever]

Sorry fellas, any yart that has Kapow in the 2nd Row is (how can I say this diplomatically) .... well it is just plain stupid.

We now have 4 genuine contenders for 2nd row in Siro, Winterstein, Bainbridge and Lane and you (be diplomatic Woodsie) you clowns want to dramatically weaken our front row rotation.

If I wasn't so sensitive and diplomatic I would probably call you irrelevant and ignorant .... but that's not my go.

hes so destructive on the edge... compare running at props to centres, also starting him doesnt mean he won't be in any front row rotation, second rower on the bench and taupau shift to prop, he should be capable of at least 70 if not 80 min.
front rower... why not both?

 

[Ryan]

Guys (sorry @Woodsie, I'm claiming Taupau as a backrower for this exercise, primarily based on playing there in the past), rate these backrowers:

3. Marty Taupau
5. Feleti Mateo
4. Tom Symonds
9. Frank Winterstein
8. Shaun Lane
1. Jake Trbojevic
11. Nathan Green
10. Lewis Brown
6. Justin Horo
7. Billy Bainbridge
2. Jamie Buhrer

In my perfect world, I wish this was our roster:

08. Jake Trbojevic (c)
09. Matt Parcell
10. Darcy Lussick
11. Marty Taupau
12. Tom Symonds
13. Jamie Buhrer

14. ROOKIE PROP
15. Addin Fonua-Blake
16. Brenton Lawrence
17. Shaun Lane

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

That pack is just too small Ryan. Jake is not a big man for a front rower, though he will get a bit bigger as he ages.

A successful NRL pack as the game is now could carry one of Symonds and Buhrer - at most! But definitely not both.

Have a look at Canberra's forward roster, it is massive and those humungus boppers will roll their team to a number of easy wins this year.

 

[TagMonster]

I know the team list was released but I truly wish that this was what trotted out this weekend:

1. T. Trbojevic
2. J. Taufau
3. B. Kelly
4. D. Walker
5. A. Uate
6. B. Green
7. D. Cherry-Evans
8. D. Lussick
9. J. Hastings
10. M. Taupau
11. C. Sironen
12. B. Bainbridge
13. J. Trbojevic

14. N. Myles
15. A. Founa-Blake
16. S. Lane
17. B. Laurence

This way, if a half or backline goes down Hastings can cover there with Siro shifting to makeshift Hooker. Lane, BJ and Marty can all cover the backrow if needed. This lineup enabled a big rotation in the front row with all the back row able to play the full 80mins. Lussick and Taupau go crazy for the first 20mins to set the example in the forwards. Then rotate Myles and Laurence in to add defence from Myles and speed from BJ. The second half would then mean you can rotate some hard runners in Lane and AFB with Lussick and Marty to keep the forwards getting big metres. I'd start Bainbridge off with maybe 60mins per game tops with Marty or Lane rotating in to be a hard runner on the edge. Siro becomes your ball playing second rower to exploit the go forward established by the other big boppers.

 

[Woodsie]

hes so destructive on the edge... compare running at props to centres, also starting him doesnt mean he won't be in any front row rotation, second rower on the bench and taupau shift to prop, he should be capable of at least 70 if not 80 min.
front rower... why not both?

The main reason I think he will stay at Prop is because that is what he is. He is an explosive athlete not an endurance one. His best busts have been up the middle,, where when he breaks the first line there is just air behind. On the edge even if he breaks the first tackle cover is coming from left and right.

His defence is 10 times better when players are running at him in the middle rather than around him on the edge.

With only 8 interchanges we need at least 3 forwards to play 80 mins.

With him in our prop rotation we have a top 4 front row. (Lussick, Kapow, AFB, Myles, Lawrence) Take him out and we have a bottom 8 front row.

We now have 3 big and 1 mid-size mobile and skilful 2nd rowers competing for spots, why you would cut one of them and weaken the front row is beyond me.

We think he is destructive on the edge, he should be, but the reality is, he wasn't. After 10 rounds last year there were threads criticising him for his lack of impact ...... he moved to front (where he was rotated) and he started to smash them, most of his big runs are through the middle.