Cross-Forum-Discussion Round 24 Cross Forum Chat

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They're nothing like us.

Kevvie has steadily improved the side each season in his 3 season as coach. each season has improved on the previous one.

Payten has also been in charge for 3 seasons, he's had one good season surrounded by 2 **** ones.

almost every player has improved under Kevvies watch ... I can't say the same about the Cowboys players and Payten

This is absolute rubbish. Can't believe I am going to defend payten. Taulagi, Cotter, Nanai, Neame, Dearden, Drinkwater, Luki, Robson were all not even on the radar of the public before last year. Several of them are internationals or made origin squads/games.

I had us winning the spoon or making the bottom 4 last year. Can criticise Payten for alot of things. Player development is not one of them. He gave Reece Walsh his start if I'm not mistaken.

 

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If I were the Cows, I'd consider this next year:
1. Drinkwater
2. Taulagi
3. Holmes
4. Valemei
5. Chester
6. Dearden
7. Clifford
8. Taumololo
9. Cotter
10. Neame
11. Nanai
12. Luki
13. Cotter

14. Duffy
15. Leilua
16. McIntyre
17. Hess

I dont rate Valemei as a center. Think he isnt good enough defensively either. He is a younger feldt. Brainsnaps galore. Laybutt looked good when he played and we have Vailea coming over. Haven't seen enough of him. Unfortunately for Chester I don't think he is able to play anywhere other than fullback at a first grade level. Maybe as a 14.

I would go with this

1. Drinkwater
2. Taulagi
3. Holmes
4. Laybutt
5. Valemei
6. Dearden
7. Clifford (
8. Taumalolo
9. Robson
10. McLean
11. Nanai
12. Luki
13. Cotter

Bench
Hess
Neame
Leilua
Finefeuiaki

We all know Townsend is going to play though. Wouldn't be against getting rid of McLean either. Forward depth is not the problem. Feldt and Valemei is a major weakness.

You have to play cotter and taumalolo more mins. Especially cotter. Just ruins their strengths.

 

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This is absolute rubbish. Can't believe I am going to defend payten. Taulagi, Cotter, Nanai, Neame, Dearden, Drinkwater, Luki, Robson were all not even on the radar of the public before last year. Several of them are internationals or made origin squads/games.

I had us winning the spoon or making the bottom 4 last year. Can criticise Payten for alot of things. Player development is not one of them. He gave Reece Walsh his start if I'm not mistaken.

You cant be serious with Drinkwater, Robson or even Dearden. Drinkwater and Robson were always well known talents before they even got to the Cowboys. Dearden was very well know in Queensland. To say they werent on the radar of the public is just plain wrong.

Drinkwater had beaten off Hughes ( before his switch to 7 ) and Papenhauzen to be Slaters replacement and only that pec injury stopped it. Drinkwater was doing OK at the Cowboys before Payten, i think Payten just dropped on a good formula when Hamiso got injured. He was always a good fullback before Payten though, just never got a run of games.

Robson was starting hooker for the Junior Kangaroos and both the u18 and u20 nsw sides. He wasnt some nobody.

They have both played a lot of good footy under Payten tbf, especially Drinkwater but Robson was doing a great job even when Green was in charge.

 

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You cant be serious with Drinkwater, Robson or even Dearden. Drinkwater and Robson were always well known talents before they even got to the Cowboys. Dearden was very well know in Queensland. To say they werent on the radar of the public is just plain wrong.

Drinkwater had beaten off Hughes ( before his switch to 7 ) and Papenhauzen to be Slaters replacement and only that pec injury stopped it. Drinkwater was doing OK at the Cowboys before Payten, i think Payten just dropped on a good formula when Hamiso got injured. He was always a good fullback before Payten though, just never got a run of games.

Robson was starting hooker for the Junior Kangaroos and both the u18 and u20 nsw sides. He wasnt some nobody.

They have both played a lot of good footy under Payten tbf, especially Drinkwater but Robson was doing a great job even when Green was in charge.

Robson was not at the level he has got to now. Drinkwater was talented but he never harnessed it. He was rocks and diamonds. Dearden was awful at the broncos. I hated the signing. He has flourished under Payten.

What about the other guys? You can't use junior rep teams as a reason that they were already established. Plenty of guys that were guns in the lower grades who never got to those heights in first grade.

I am low on Paytens rotations and some of his selections and recruitment but there is no argument the amount of very good young players he has developed. I didn't see Cotter becoming this. He was a backup hooker at one stage. I can't agree with the not making players better argument of the pushback on the guy.

 

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Robson was not at the level he has got to now. Drinkwater was talented but he never harnessed it. He was rocks and diamonds. Dearden was awful at the broncos. I hated the signing. He has flourished under Payten.

What about the other guys? You can't use junior rep teams as a reason that they were already established. Plenty of guys that were guns in the lower grades who never got to those heights in first grade.

I am low on Paytens rotations and some of his selections and recruitment but there is no argument the amount of very good young players he has developed. I didn't see Cotter becoming this. He was a backup hooker at one stage. I can't agree with the not making players better argument of the pushback on the guy.

I pretty much knew about every single player on your list. I wouldnt be the only one either. Your point was they werent on anyones radar when some clearly were. They just benefited from playing in a side performing well more than Paytens coaching, as we are seeing this year.

The players simply arent fans of Payten.

 

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Finefeuiaki

Is he signed with you guys for next year? I couldn't find anything that said one way or the other.

 

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I pretty much knew about every single player on your list. I wouldnt be the only one either. Your point was they werent on anyones radar when some clearly were. They just benefited from playing in a side performing well more than Paytens coaching, as we are seeing this year.

The players simply arent fans of Payten.

When I mean not on the radar I mean not an elite first grader. Most of those guys weren't established at all.

Benefited from playing in a side playing well? Some of that is coaching. It would be like me saying Walters has nothing to do with it is just a bunch of guys all playing well. I get your point and I'm not saying is Jack Gibson and he has some glaring flaws but player development imo is not one of them.

Not fans of Payten? Who? The only guy that has had any so called "problems" with him is Taumalolo and that conveniently went away last year once the team started winning. Their was more rumblings about Paul Green and how much they couldn't stand him then there has been Payten. If we struggle again next year with the roster we have I will be right there with you but he has given this club more positives then negatives since he was hired.

 

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Is he signed with you guys for next year? I couldn't find anything that said one way or the other.

Think he is off contract end of this year. Think he is going to stay though. We'll I hope. If we didn't have Leilua I would say he is 100% certain of staying.

 

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When I mean not on the radar I mean not an elite first grader. Most of those guys weren't established at all.

Benefited from playing in a side playing well? Some of that is coaching. It would be like me saying Walters has nothing to do with it is just a bunch of guys all playing well. I get your point and I'm not saying is Jack Gibson and he has some glaring flaws but player development imo is not one of them.

Not fans of Payten? Who? The only guy that has had any so called "problems" with him is Taumalolo and that conveniently went away last year once the team started winning. Their was more rumblings about Paul Green and how much they couldn't stand him then there has been Payten. If we struggle again next year with the roster we have I will be right there with you but he has given this club more positives then negatives since he was hired.

As you might say, trust me, there are players i'm not going to name who have issues with him. I know it for a fact same as i did with Green. He takes very little responsibility for things that go wrong.

 

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As you might say, trust me, there are players i'm not going to name who have issues with him. I know it for a fact same as i did with Green. He takes very little responsibility for things that go wrong.

With all due respect anybody can say anything on the internet. My sisters cousins boyfriends arguments are just that. Unless there is proof publicly than its just speculation. Let's just say this. More players have had problems with Walters "publicly" over the last year and a half than payten. Those things have also conveniently been quiet since..... the club is winning at a high level.

It might show that both men aren't pushovers and are owning what they are doing. Probably ruffles a few feathers but can't be friends with everyone

 

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Think he is off contract end of this year. Think he is going to stay though. We'll I hope. If we didn't have Leilua I would say he is 100% certain of staying.

Kuli is signed until end of next year.

 

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Kuli is signed until end of next year.

I could only find end of 2023. That's great then. Guy is a beast. Just needs to learn his craft. Got humbled a bit in that Titans match. Bit different playing big mins then small stints.

 

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With all due respect anybody can say anything on the internet. My sisters cousins boyfriends arguments are just that. Unless there is proof publicly than its just speculation. Let's just say this. More players have had problems with Walters "publicly" over the last year and a half than payten. Those things have also conveniently been quiet since..... the club is winning at a high level.

It might show that both men aren't pushovers and are owning what they are doing. Probably ruffles a few feathers but can't be friends with everyone

Plenty of things go on behind the scenes that you never hear about in public, or it comes out way down the track. I know for a fact there are problems from a source close enough to know exactly whats been happening there, but as i always say, i'm not bothered what people choose to believe from people online. Never changed my opinion last year even when they were doing well because it was always papering over the cracks.

 

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Fuller looks like he's going to get his debut at 26 for the Dolphins.

Cup games 81 and 48 tries- Hall Medal in 2018 GF win.

You look at that Grand FInal- Staggs, Opacic, Cullen, Turpin, Rudolf, Hopoate, Whitchurch, Slyney, Tino, Drinkwater, Walters and Seve all played NRL of some sort and now the Man of the match is getting a go now five years after his two tries.

123 tackle breaks this year in 16 games.

 

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Plenty of things go on behind the scenes that you never hear about in public, or it comes out way down the track. I know for a fact there are problems from a source close enough to know exactly whats been happening there, but as i always say, i'm not bothered what people choose to believe from people online. Never changed my opinion last year even when they were doing well because it was always papering over the cracks.

We are 9th. Not 16th lol. Let's calm down. Their is no big cracks in the foundation. The future is brighter than 80% of clubs. We have had a bad year for the expectations. We just got in a hole early and it took too much to get out of. They look gassed and have no energy. We aren't as good as what we finished last year and we aren't as bad as more than likely what we will finish this year. But that's how it goes. Get better and identify your weaknesses and try and fix them. All you can do.

 

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With all due respect anybody can say anything on the internet. My sisters cousins boyfriends arguments are just that. Unless there is proof publicly than its just speculation. Let's just say this. More players have had problems with Walters "publicly" over the last year and a half than payten. Those things have also conveniently been quiet since..... the club is winning at a high level.

It might show that both men aren't pushovers and are owning what they are doing. Probably ruffles a few feathers but can't be friends with everyone

I'll only trust this source if Braith Anasta is the cousin tbh

 

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We are 9th. Not 16th lol. Let's calm down. Their is no big cracks in the foundation. The future is brighter than 80% of clubs. We have had a bad year for the expectations. We just got in a hole early and it took too much to get out of. They look gassed and have no energy. We aren't as good as what we finished last year and we aren't as bad as more than likely what we will finish this year. But that's how it goes. Get better and identify your weaknesses and try and fix them. All you can do.

Wait and see. 9th and missing finals is a massive failure for a squad with the talent the cows have. No dressing it up any other way.

 

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We are 9th. Not 16th lol. Let's calm down. Their is no big cracks in the foundation. The future is brighter than 80% of clubs. We have had a bad year for the expectations. We just got in a hole early and it took too much to get out of. They look gassed and have no energy. We aren't as good as what we finished last year and we aren't as bad as more than likely what we will finish this year. But that's how it goes. Get better and identify your weaknesses and try and fix them. All you can do.

Speaking of being 9th, that Panthers game looms so large for you guys. If you get through next week first (and that is an if as you look like you are running on fumes), you will definitely be hoping that Penrith does their usual and rests half their team.

 

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Speaking of being 9th, that Panthers game looms so large for you guys. If you get through next week first (and that is an if as you look like you are running on fumes), you will definitely be hoping that Penrith does their usual and rests half their team.

We need luck to make it even if we win both games. I wouldn't mind the Sharks again week 1 though 😁

 

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Wait and see. 9th and missing finals is a massive failure for a squad with the talent the cows have. No dressing it up any other way.

What am I waiting and seeing? I already said it was a failed season. Plenty of teams have failed seasons year to year. Development or progress isn't linear. We aren't the Storm or Panthers. It's disappointing.