Kiwi, barring Orford, all the rest of the players that you mention have been roasted on this site from time to time for their lack of form, fitness or whatever.  Orford stands alone as being overpaid, out of form consistently, and just plain awful. He's meant to win us games with his guile, cunning plays, intelligence, captaincy and all the rest that one expects in a highly paid playmeaker. He wins us one game in ten in my estimation. Not enough to keep. All the rest you mention don't have that role and arn't paid as much. And I don't consider Lyon amongst the others. He's worth his money. Â