Red Zone Defence

[maxta]

Agree to disagree.

Most professional sporting outfits that win comps consistently having an attacking mentality or try to increase the teams overall skill set, even the defense is used with an attacking positive mindset behind their structures.

In the old days of professional sport (all sports) defense was seen as just a way to repel an attack with no other thought behind it, these days it is all about pressing and limiting time, forcing mistakes regain possession in attacking positions or attacking straight after in the most efficient manner.

What fans of the round ball game fail to appreciate in Leicester City's Premier League winning season is how they evolved defense to have an attacking reasoning behind it, their counter attack was so efficient in it's output given for the most part in games Leicester only had between 30-40 percent of the ball---if their attack had no thought behind it all that defense would of been pointless.

Not really....Balance is key, but the first thing every day is to have your defensive game on....individually and as a team.
It is true that teams winning a game need to continue to score points and not go into a defensive mentality to defend a lead...
BIG difference
Thing is, if you stop the opposition scoring points, regardless of how lethal their attack is, they will generally start to push plays and lose confidence.
This will create errors and a plan B they are not used to, truth is the best attack is built on solid defence- that is your rock.

 

[wombatgc]

I wouldn't be hiring a defence lawyer who twists the facts of what i typed to reflect a teams performance when it was aimed at an individuals lack of energy after only being on the field for 10mins.

I thought ‘twisting the facts " is exactly what you’d want from your defence lawyer. Unless of course if you are actually innocent.

 

[Briza]

Defence wins Comps!

 

[HoldenV8]

Love it . Bagging his defence after a team wins with less ball in a half of football than you will see for the next 10 seasons. At one point 20 percent in 15 or 20 minutes..The same rubbish was bandied around after the bulldogs game and it was simply wrong.

I supposed you missed the tackle when he buried that shark and drove him into the turf with a great shoulder hit in our red zone .Cronulla were trying to spot him ! How did that work out for them ? They scored one try in the middle off a dodgy tap with all that ball in the second half and he plays middle where Fifita and co went all night.

What actually happened is only Jake and Marty made more tackles than him for us today and his minutes would have been the same or less than most out there, and guess what , those minutes coincided exactly with the run of penalties so of course he was tired like everyone else..But why let the facts get in the way of a good story.


What occurred out there today which was quite frankly amazing , simply can’t and doesn’t happen happen if one of your four middle forwards is falling off tackles and arm grabbing like a schoolgirl 10 metres out from your line .They got 11 f....ing penalties in a row and people are having a crack at a young middle forward responsible for defending our line ..... and succeeding.The defence of the whole team was astonishing .Was one of our greatest wins. Enjoy it.

Get on board. Kids 19 or 20 or something and learning. Know many middle forwards at his age who are tough as teak and never miss or blow a bit after 11 straight penalties.? I haven’t seen many .... mainly because I have not seen 11 penalties in a row in 30 years

.FMD this is a tough school.Even the most cursory of examinations of the last three games shows we have been totally and utterly starved of the ball in the second half (when he does and will play most of his minutes ) of all those games and is tackling himself into the ground. Look at his stats in those games. It’s not rocket science.The kids defence is fine.Watch the Dogs game under extreme fatigue in the second half. It was absolutely outstanding. 30 odd tackles and no misses. You don’t forget how to tackle in a week.

He’s a star and will be for a long time.

I may be wrong so I can't say for certain, but I have this sneaking suspicion that you are a fan of Manase Fainu

Seriously though, I agree with what you said. The way Des is doing it with the two hooker system is working just like it did with Matty Ballin and Heath L'Estrange, but if Api ever went down with an injury or left the club, we really wouldn't be any worse off because Fainu can handle the job on his own. He probably does need a bit of extra fitness if he wants to be a full 80 minute player, but even now he could do it. And besides, having to make a lot of tackles especially when you're the small bloke in the middle with opposition props constantly running at you, would tire out anyone. When they have had to do a lot of defence, even players like sCam Smith and Damien Cook are sucking in the big ones at the back end of games.

One thing I remember is this. There was a time when people didn't think Matt Ballin was an 80 minute player as he'd played behind Michael Monoghan, then in tandem with L'Estrange. But when Heath left Matty proved them all wrong didn't he (I still think its a joke that he wasn't considered ahead of Farah and Ennis for Kangaroos spots behind Smith. But then, it was Tim Sheens). In time Fainu will do the same, no doubt.

 

[Sue]

I wouldn't be hiring a defence lawyer who twists the facts of what i typed to reflect a teams performance when it was aimed at an individuals lack of energy after only being on the field for 10mins.

Well you would lose in court just as you lose the argument here. Because a defence lawyer who twists the facts is EXACTLY what you want in court. It may have escaped you but that’s what they do! It’s called the adversarial legal system where a lawyers job is to propose alternative theories to explain a given set of facts. And no , I am not a mind reader re post times. My comments were valid at that time and still are.

Watch the bulldogs second half very closely and see what the kid did under extreme fatigue with no ball both in attack and defence. 30 odd tackles , zero misses and frequent searching runs. Yes he blew hard because he was busting s gut and doing his job which is what we pay them for.I think you might find it surprising even by your lofty technical stsndsrds.

 

[frank stokes]

Love it . Bagging his defence after a team wins with less ball in a half of football than you will see for the next 10 seasons. At one point 20 percent in 15 or 20 minutes..The same rubbish was bandied around after the bulldogs game and it was simply wrong.

I supposed you missed the tackle when he buried that shark and drove him into the turf with a great shoulder hit in our red zone .Cronulla were trying to spot him ! How did that work out for them ? They scored one try in the middle off a dodgy tap with all that ball in the second half and he plays middle where Fifita and co went all night.

What actually happened is only Jake and Marty made more tackles than him for us today and his minutes would have been the same or less than most out there, and guess what , those minutes coincided exactly with the run of penalties so of course he was tired like everyone else..But why let the facts get in the way of a good story.


What occurred out there today which was quite frankly amazing , simply can’t and doesn’t happen happen if one of your four middle forwards is falling off tackles and arm grabbing like a schoolgirl 10 metres out from your line .They got 11 f....ing penalties in a row and people are having a crack at a young middle forward responsible for defending our line ..... and succeeding.The defence of the whole team was astonishing .Was one of our greatest wins. Enjoy it.

Get on board. Kids 19 or 20 or something and learning. Know many middle forwards at his age who are tough as teak and never miss or blow a bit after 11 straight penalties.? I haven’t seen many .... mainly because I have not seen 11 penalties in a row in 30 years

.FMD this is a tough school.Even the most cursory of examinations of the last three games shows we have been totally and utterly starved of the ball in the second half (when he does and will play most of his minutes ) of all those games and is tackling himself into the ground. Look at his stats in those games. It’s not rocket science.The kids defence is fine.Watch the Dogs game under extreme fatigue in the second half. It was absolutely outstanding. 30 odd tackles and no misses. You don’t forget how to tackle in a week.

He’s a star and will be for a long time.

LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!!!

Just kidding Sue, well said... the kids a star and we should be so lucky to have a team with his kind of 'lack of effort...
P.S. that tap-and-go try really pi**ed me off... it was a fair call but highlighted that the one against CC wasn't....

 

[BOZO]

It is the change of attitude that has made all the difference .

Well done Des !

Last season we had the white flag up on our red zone .

This season we have Resilient defence on our red zone

 

[HoldenV8]

BTW, @frank stokes ... the laugh was at the Brittany comment LOL. The rest was spot on.

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

Most glaring thing for me re the Defence structure is the number of tries we have conceded from kicks. Don't get me wrong this is a good thing.
Our structure under Des is forcing opposition teams to go to the kicks to get results. These are often 50 50 plays. Of course sometimes we will get burnt but that's a sign of a strong line.
Our man on man line Is excellent, the hustle is epic and the belief these boys are getting as compared to last year is amazing.
We resembled a cheese grater with the amount of holes in the D line last year. Now it's an Iron plate.

 

[Haliaeetus]

wtf is this 'red zone' bollocks
are we really that NFL-ised
whatever happened to goal-line defense

https://www.thoughtco.com/what-is-the-red-zone-1335524

 

[maxta]

wtf is this 'red zone' bollocks
are we really that NFL-ised
whatever happened to goal-line defense

https://www.thoughtco.com/what-is-the-red-zone-1335524

Goal line defence still exists and is inside the 10m line, Red Zone is anywhere inside the 20m line...
Manly has improved dramatically in this area through effort, belief, structure and commitment.

 

[Technical Coach]

Well you would lose in court just as you lose the argument here. Because a defence lawyer who twists the facts is EXACTLY what you want in court. It may have escaped you but that’s what they do! It’s called the adversarial legal system where a lawyers job is to propose alternative theories to explain a given set of facts. And no , I am not a mind reader re post times. My comments were valid at that time and still are.

Watch the bulldogs second half very closely and see what the kid did under extreme fatigue with no ball both in attack and defence. 30 odd tackles , zero misses and frequent searching runs. Yes he blew hard because he was busting s gut and doing his job which is what we pay them for.I think you might find it surprising even by your lofty technical stsndsrds.

A defence lawyers job is not to twist the facts but to create/cast enough doubt combined with proposing alternative theories.

Facts are facts you can't twist them, people try and invariably fail.

"It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts." Sherlock Holmes

Watch Fainu's first half defence with fresh legs and tell me that is up to NRL standard "yesterday". Watch again in the second half walking back almost staggering during goal line defense in the middle and tell me that is acceptable.

I'm a fan of Fainu but he needs to address this area of his game big time if he wants to command the big bucks.

The two hooker system works well but if the NRL go to 6 interchanges (i doubt it due to the high cricket scores) he is in big trouble.

 

[wombatgc]

A defence lawyers job is not to twist the facts but to create/cast enough doubt combined with proposing alternative theories.

Facts are facts you can't twist them, people try and invariably fail.

"It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts." Sherlock Holmes

Watch Fainu's first half defence with fresh legs and tell me that is up to NRL standard "yesterday". Watch again in the second half walking back almost staggering during goal line defense in the middle and tell me that is acceptable.

I'm a fan of Fainu but he needs to address this area of his game big time if he wants to command the big bucks.

The two hooker system works well but if the NRL go to 6 interchanges (i doubt it due to the high cricket scores) he is in big trouble.

.....off to get the microwave popcorn, this is going to be good.........