Passion for the club

[Kiwi Eagle]

Last weekend I watched Ricky Stuart almost in tears on the sidelines watching Papalii do his stuff at the end, and then how highly he spoke of him in the press conference. At first I thought it was cringe worthy how he was on the sideline, but on reflection, the passion he has for the Raiders shines through immensely, and it seems to be rubbing through onto the squad as a whole, and you even have guys who he has had issues with on board and pulling in one direction.

Now to move this around to where I relate it to Manly. Our last golden era, Des and Toovey on the coaching staff were Manly through and through, if anything happened to the players, Des is first one there in their corner and publicly batting for them in the media. Max Delmege, couldn’t question one bit his love for the club. All players had complete buy in and loved Des and the entire club pulled in one direction.

There has always been a theory about Manly only having success with Manly people, and I have never brought into it, I’ve always thought it should be the best person for the job regardless.

For me I think my viewpoint on this has completely changed. Not every coach needs to be carrying on like Ricky Stuart on the sideline, but I look at Seibold, and could I ever see him having that type of emotion and passion in him if Jake had an afternoon like that ? No I can’t. I don’t see anything in him that gives the squad anything to buy into whole heartedly, that isn’t saying he is a bad bloke, he just doesn’t seem to inspire, and none of the assistants have it in them either. The current owners, they tip money into the joint, but is there ever anything more coming from them that suggests the club is anything more than the plaything to them ? They certainly haven’t been shy of knifing club legends in the back

We look at the DCE saga, and we will never know the reasons why, but we have the guy at our club in Josh Papaliis shoes, and he can’t wait to get out of the joint, why ? I’m not marking him innocent in eroding of Manly culture either, but why does he so desperately want out of a joint he can hold all the records at ?

I’m sure people can point at Des in 2011 as part of starting this downward spiral as well, and it may be a fair point, but what pushed him in that direction ? That’s another question with many answers that we will probably never know which one is correct

So to round this off, how do we get back to installing the Manly DNA back into the joint ? Personally I have absolutely no idea lol. Penn is a known quantity so we know what we get there. Mestrov doesn’t inspire me at all, listening to him on the podcasts with James Graham last year, he was more about pulling the likes of Penrith down a level, rather than striving to push Manly up to that level. Coaching wise, Seibold isn’t it for me, but who is out there that has that Manly passion to inspire the players ? I don’t see any obvious option immediately, in the future Jake may be a great option to have coming through the coaching ranks

When I look at all the above, the current way we are playing, what we have in terms of promising players coming through, especially in the forwards, things are looking decidedly bleak. The Warriors recruitment and retention boss was on the radio here a couple of weeks back publicly laying out their plan for the next 5 years and where they are looking to go as a club, and it was a great listen. I wish I had something like that from us that we could actually hold onto with some hope

Going back to the topic title, passion for the club, mine has declined rapidly in recent times. The result good or bad doesn’t have the same emotion in it anymore, Can anybody lift me back up ?

 

[Red Baron]

I reckon give Brett Stewart a go.

 

[madmax]

Last weekend I watched Ricky Stuart almost in tears on the sidelines watching Papalii do his stuff at the end, and then how highly he spoke of him in the press conference. At first I thought it was cringe worthy how he was on the sideline, but on reflection, the passion he has for the Raiders shines through immensely, and it seems to be rubbing through onto the squad as a whole, and you even have guys who he has had issues with on board and pulling in one direction.

Now to move this around to where I relate it to Manly. Our last golden era, Des and Toovey on the coaching staff were Manly through and through, if anything happened to the players, Des is first one there in their corner and publicly batting for them in the media. Max Delmege, couldn’t question one bit his love for the club. All players had complete buy in and loved Des and the entire club pulled in one direction.

There has always been a theory about Manly only having success with Manly people, and I have never brought into it, I’ve always thought it should be the best person for the job regardless.

For me I think my viewpoint on this has completely changed. Not every coach needs to be carrying on like Ricky Stuart on the sideline, but I look at Seibold, and could I ever see him having that type of emotion and passion in him if Jake had an afternoon like that ? No I can’t. I don’t see anything in him that gives the squad anything to buy into whole heartedly, that isn’t saying he is a bad bloke, he just doesn’t seem to inspire, and none of the assistants have it in them either. The current owners, they tip money into the joint, but is there ever anything more coming from them that suggests the club is anything more than the plaything to them ? They certainly haven’t been shy of knifing club legends in the back

We look at the DCE saga, and we will never know the reasons why, but we have the guy at our club in Josh Papaliis shoes, and he can’t wait to get out of the joint, why ? I’m not marking him innocent in eroding of Manly culture either, but why does he so desperately want out of a joint he can hold all the records at ?

I’m sure people can point at Des in 2011 as part of starting this downward spiral as well, and it may be a fair point, but what pushed him in that direction ? That’s another question with many answers that we will probably never know which one is correct

So to round this off, how do we get back to installing the Manly DNA back into the joint ? Personally I have absolutely no idea lol. Penn is a known quantity so we know what we get there. Mestrov doesn’t inspire me at all, listening to him on the podcasts with James Graham last year, he was more about pulling the likes of Penrith down a level, rather than striving to push Manly up to that level. Coaching wise, Seibold isn’t it for me, but who is out there that has that Manly passion to inspire the players ? I don’t see any obvious option immediately, in the future Jake may be a great option to have coming through the coaching ranks

When I look at all the above, the current way we are playing, what we have in terms of promising players coming through, especially in the forwards, things are looking decidedly bleak. The Warriors recruitment and retention boss was on the radio here a couple of weeks back publicly laying out their plan for the next 5 years and where they are looking to go as a club, and it was a great listen. I wish I had something like that from us that we could actually hold onto with some hope

Going back to the topic title, passion for the club, mine has declined rapidly in recent times. The result good or bad doesn’t have the same emotion in it anymore, Can anybody lift me back up ?

Nice write up mate…..my passion is up & down like a yo-yo the past few years. I know we’ve been stunted in recruitment due to a few over the top contracts. I’m not sure how the club gets back on the front foot. Turbo’s expected re-signing at $300k less, Jurbo hopefully re-signing at $400k less or retiring & DCE gone we could have around $1.2m to play with. As for coach….how about Fatty? Wiped the floor with NSW in SOO with a bunch of so called numpties! Can coach obviously & am sure he’d be a good motivator! DNA back, money saved & a couple of forwards brought in!! I dunno I guess I’m just hoping the yo-yo effect improves for next year.

 

[TheSoaringEagle2023]

Watmough would be the sort of coach that would fire up. He would be a fantastic coach imo.

 

[HK_Eagle]

Watmough would be the sort of coach that would fire up. He would be a fantastic coach imo.

Yeah, maybe in the 1970s he could have assisted Masters at the Maggies…

 

[Budgie]

Last weekend I watched Ricky Stuart almost in tears on the sidelines watching Papalii do his stuff at the end, and then how highly he spoke of him in the press conference. At first I thought it was cringe worthy how he was on the sideline, but on reflection, the passion he has for the Raiders shines through immensely, and it seems to be rubbing through onto the squad as a whole, and you even have guys who he has had issues with on board and pulling in one direction.

Now to move this around to where I relate it to Manly. Our last golden era, Des and Toovey on the coaching staff were Manly through and through, if anything happened to the players, Des is first one there in their corner and publicly batting for them in the media. Max Delmege, couldn’t question one bit his love for the club. All players had complete buy in and loved Des and the entire club pulled in one direction.

There has always been a theory about Manly only having success with Manly people, and I have never brought into it, I’ve always thought it should be the best person for the job regardless.

For me I think my viewpoint on this has completely changed. Not every coach needs to be carrying on like Ricky Stuart on the sideline, but I look at Seibold, and could I ever see him having that type of emotion and passion in him if Jake had an afternoon like that ? No I can’t. I don’t see anything in him that gives the squad anything to buy into whole heartedly, that isn’t saying he is a bad bloke, he just doesn’t seem to inspire, and none of the assistants have it in them either. The current owners, they tip money into the joint, but is there ever anything more coming from them that suggests the club is anything more than the plaything to them ? They certainly haven’t been shy of knifing club legends in the back

We look at the DCE saga, and we will never know the reasons why, but we have the guy at our club in Josh Papaliis shoes, and he can’t wait to get out of the joint, why ? I’m not marking him innocent in eroding of Manly culture either, but why does he so desperately want out of a joint he can hold all the records at ?

I’m sure people can point at Des in 2011 as part of starting this downward spiral as well, and it may be a fair point, but what pushed him in that direction ? That’s another question with many answers that we will probably never know which one is correct

So to round this off, how do we get back to installing the Manly DNA back into the joint ? Personally I have absolutely no idea lol. Penn is a known quantity so we know what we get there. Mestrov doesn’t inspire me at all, listening to him on the podcasts with James Graham last year, he was more about pulling the likes of Penrith down a level, rather than striving to push Manly up to that level. Coaching wise, Seibold isn’t it for me, but who is out there that has that Manly passion to inspire the players ? I don’t see any obvious option immediately, in the future Jake may be a great option to have coming through the coaching ranks

When I look at all the above, the current way we are playing, what we have in terms of promising players coming through, especially in the forwards, things are looking decidedly bleak. The Warriors recruitment and retention boss was on the radio here a couple of weeks back publicly laying out their plan for the next 5 years and where they are looking to go as a club, and it was a great listen. I wish I had something like that from us that we could actually hold onto with some hope

Going back to the topic title, passion for the club, mine has declined rapidly in recent times. The result good or bad doesn’t have the same emotion in it anymore, Can anybody lift me back up ?

In every case it, quite literally, starts at the top:

As you rightly point out, we had that in the Delmege days.

Now,

look at the Canberra management having complete faith in Ricky because they all love the club and want it to be successful (and I loved the tears)

look at Politis and how his utter love for and belief in the Roosters drives everything there

look at the people who were running the Panthers and their bringing in Gus to create the structure that saw them have such enormous success

look at the Bulldogs where the Laundy hotels guy has brought in Gus to turn the joint around

look at the Storm where their management have completely bought in to the Bellamy way

And now, look at the rest who just don't have that single vision for success from on high.

For Manly, the Penns are the problem

 

[ManlyTragic]

The reason Ricky is smiling is because they are 2nd on the ladder ….. trust me … we would be too if we were coming second!

Winners are grinners and the rest can please themselves!

Just sayin’

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Top post @Kiwi Eagle
Not sure if I can lift your passion, but you've made me think.
Never been a fan of Sticky as a coach but have to admit he has the Raiders firing currently, they look great.

As for passion for Manly... losing is much less fun than winning.

Aside from that, in the past it's true we have had former players become coaches, Des being a massive success, and Tooves showing you need more than just being a Manly person, because no-one is more Manly than Tooves but it didn't work out.

Boring refrain but I do think Penn running the joint from a distance doesn't set an all-in passionate example from the top. No idea how many games he attends each year? Mestrov though is a former Manly player and I hope he can remain long enough to set the club back on track, he's done a few good things I think. Seibold, maybe yes maybe no but I haven't written him off just yet.

Bottom line for me, we need a stronger team, or a least a season free from significant injuries. Most people here have identified the areas to be strengthened so the coaches obviously would have too. What the club can do about it... time will tell.

Meanwhile ...If we beat GC I'll be happy, if we lose, well i can't afford to be grieving over a footy game. So they'd better win!

 

[Ned]

Last weekend I watched Ricky Stuart almost in tears on the sidelines watching Papalii do his stuff at the end, and then how highly he spoke of him in the press conference. At first I thought it was cringe worthy how he was on the sideline, but on reflection, the passion he has for the Raiders shines through immensely, and it seems to be rubbing through onto the squad as a whole, and you even have guys who he has had issues with on board and pulling in one direction.

Now to move this around to where I relate it to Manly. Our last golden era, Des and Toovey on the coaching staff were Manly through and through, if anything happened to the players, Des is first one there in their corner and publicly batting for them in the media. Max Delmege, couldn’t question one bit his love for the club. All players had complete buy in and loved Des and the entire club pulled in one direction.

There has always been a theory about Manly only having success with Manly people, and I have never brought into it, I’ve always thought it should be the best person for the job regardless.

For me I think my viewpoint on this has completely changed. Not every coach needs to be carrying on like Ricky Stuart on the sideline, but I look at Seibold, and could I ever see him having that type of emotion and passion in him if Jake had an afternoon like that ? No I can’t. I don’t see anything in him that gives the squad anything to buy into whole heartedly, that isn’t saying he is a bad bloke, he just doesn’t seem to inspire, and none of the assistants have it in them either. The current owners, they tip money into the joint, but is there ever anything more coming from them that suggests the club is anything more than the plaything to them ? They certainly haven’t been shy of knifing club legends in the back

We look at the DCE saga, and we will never know the reasons why, but we have the guy at our club in Josh Papaliis shoes, and he can’t wait to get out of the joint, why ? I’m not marking him innocent in eroding of Manly culture either, but why does he so desperately want out of a joint he can hold all the records at ?

I’m sure people can point at Des in 2011 as part of starting this downward spiral as well, and it may be a fair point, but what pushed him in that direction ? That’s another question with many answers that we will probably never know which one is correct

So to round this off, how do we get back to installing the Manly DNA back into the joint ? Personally I have absolutely no idea lol. Penn is a known quantity so we know what we get there. Mestrov doesn’t inspire me at all, listening to him on the podcasts with James Graham last year, he was more about pulling the likes of Penrith down a level, rather than striving to push Manly up to that level. Coaching wise, Seibold isn’t it for me, but who is out there that has that Manly passion to inspire the players ? I don’t see any obvious option immediately, in the future Jake may be a great option to have coming through the coaching ranks

When I look at all the above, the current way we are playing, what we have in terms of promising players coming through, especially in the forwards, things are looking decidedly bleak. The Warriors recruitment and retention boss was on the radio here a couple of weeks back publicly laying out their plan for the next 5 years and where they are looking to go as a club, and it was a great listen. I wish I had something like that from us that we could actually hold onto with some hope

Going back to the topic title, passion for the club, mine has declined rapidly in recent times. The result good or bad doesn’t have the same emotion in it anymore, Can anybody lift me back up ?

Was a milestone game for Papalli, beat Crocker's all time raider starts, so that's why he was so excited cause he loves the bloke scoring a double in that game, and Ricky is regularly on the sideline, most games really. I agree though that the passion is hard for me to keep up too, I haven't had it for a while but that loss to the bottom of the ladder knights when leading 16-0 at half time just made me numb. This is a very difficult team to follow. The Barret years were difficult too but we weren't that far from a GF appearance then and were "rebuilding", after a decade of this crap I thought this year we have a decent team and would win the easy ones and compete in the hard ones but it's not happening. The cherry situation sours it too and there's no light at the end of the tunnel. Will be years before we can be contenders in this comp.

 

[Kiwi Eagle]

The reason Ricky is smiling is because they are 2nd on the ladder ….. trust me … we would be too if we were coming second!

Winners are grinners and the rest can please themselves!

Just sayin’

The thing with him though is even if they are having a bad year, he is consistent and you still see what’s inside of him coming through on the sidelines and in press conferences. Makes tough decisions, has fallen out with players like Tapine and Horsburgh, but is man enough to find ways to get back on track and have them as key members and leaders of the organisation

Can’t believe I’m praising the bloke this much, but it just seems to stand out for me as an area we lack in as a club

 

[Rackets]

Watmough would be the sort of coach that would fire up. He would be a fantastic coach imo.

What about Brent Kite?

 

[HK_Eagle]

Ricky was happy for Big Pappa on the occasion in a similar way as we felt when Beaver scored in the greatest grand final ever. We all cried tears of joy to celebrate somebody who deserved it.

 

[danny-boy]

man would love to have a coach that has a passion for our club like Ricky does for the Raiders. We haven’t had that since Tooves.

What are you using my material?

 

[HK_Eagle]

Forget about a supposed “coach” with a passion for the club. NOTHING will change until we find an OWNER with a true passion for the club matched by the financial clout to make it happen.

 

[Scorpio]

This is Ricky's 12th year at the Raiders and they have still won nothing. They've made the finals 5 times and missed them 6 times. Any Manly coach (ex-player or not) with that record would have been sacked years ago and I'm not sure that many on Silvertails would be praising the coach for jumping around on the sidelines.

It's the results that matter. The sooner we start continually making finals and challenging for a premiership again the happier we will all be.

 

[Stewbojevic]

I’m sorry but it’s ridiculous to suggest some of these old players like Brett Stewart or Watmough would come in and do a great job as head coach simply because they are passionate for the club. Coaching an NRL club is a complex job of sports science, mixed personalities, football strategy, recruitment and media management.

Inexperienced coaches without the pedigree never work out.

That’s not to say we couldn’t use a bit more of a Manly vibe in the coaching staff, but head coach is a different beast.

 

[HK_Eagle]

I’m sorry but it’s ridiculous to suggest some of these old players like Brett Stewart or Watmough would come in and do a great job as head coach simply because they are passionate for the club. Coaching an NRL club is a complex job of sports science, mixed personalities, football strategy, recruitment and media management.

Inexperienced coaches without the pedigree never work out.

That’s not to say we couldn’t use a bit more of a Manly vibe in the coaching staff, but head coach is a different beast.

Stop making sense.

 

[LeonardCohen]

I respect people’s take on things but I don’t feel it’s that dire. I think we are just frustrated with the way Manly tease supporters with occasional big wins against decent opposition, only to turn around and lose to the cellar dwellers the next.

The place doesn’t need to be blown up. The Tigers won three spoons in a row and haven’t played finals in over 10 years. That’s a club that truly tests a supporter’s passion.

Manly are used to success but the rugby league landscape has changed and we’ve settled into the middle of the road, like a number of other clubs. We don’t have the buying power to assemble a squad like the top teams. Compare Manly’s roster to Melbourne across each position…it’s very humbling.

I’m not saying I’m happy for us to be ‘middle of the road’ but I’m not in an advisory role at Manly, thus have no say in what happens. For this reason, I just have to go along for the ride and support my team. Getting frustrated or tapping out will not help the club or my health, so I go again the following weekend.

 

[Woodsie]

This is Sticky's 11th season in charge, and during that time they have earned the nickname "The Faiders" .... also the 23rd season since he last won the premiership ... please.

I think the Canberra fans appear a lot more forgiving and patient than Manly fans ... we start sack the coach threads after 1 year ... and that's when we're in 6th place on the ladder. ...

 

[Kiwi Eagle]

This is Ricky's 12th year at the Raiders and they have still won nothing. They've made the finals 5 times and missed them 6 times. Any Manly coach (ex-player or not) with that record would have been sacked years ago and I'm not sure that many on Silvertails would be praising the coach for jumping around on the sidelines.

It's the results that matter. The sooner we start continually making finals and challenging for a premiership again the happier we will all be.

Correct, but over those 12 years, how many times have you looked at a Raiders squad and thought “these guys should be up there challenging”, most years I look at them and think bottom 4, and most years have punched above their weight. It’s a squad that’s always been bereft of genuine game breaking superstars and hard to recruit too

Guess where I’m looking at them as an example is that you can see some passion for the place on the sidelines, you can see a clear recruitment and retention strategy (England has served them well, and they’ve gone out and signed a bunch of talented youngsters) and you can see that all meshing together into a positive future. Easy to just cherry pick the top sides but you can see the clear direction Bulldogs and Warriors are heading in as well, again the fans have something to look at and be excited over

What do we have ? A couple of young halves we hope will come good, and hopes that saving money on a few old people might land us a good signing.