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Our massive front row problem and why we need to offload some backs to fix it

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by cf2 is back, Nov 3, 2010.

  1. cf2 is back

    cf2 is back Active Member

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    It doesn't matter how good our back line is there is simply no way on earth we will be top 4 (and lucky to be top 8) unless we add to our very thin front row depth for 2011.

    With Perry gone we now have:
    * King - great trier but not getting any younger
    * Kite - awesome servant but 3 years past his best '08 form
    * George - love him but 30 min at best bench player and gotta lose the pies
    * Cross - honest trier but barely above NSW Cup standard
    * Guluvao - love him too but come on he's a veteran back rower

    And if one or more of those get injured we are in huge trouble.

    Forwards win premierships - we've got to find a couple a couple of young gun props now and if our cap is full we need to go to the step of offloading some backs to do it.

    I would absolutely hate to lose someone like a Matai or a Wolfman but history shows it's way easier to find a new Whare or an Oldfield than it is a Learoyd-Lahrs. If we can get our hands on someone like pommy James Graham it should be our no 1 priority right now.

    Mark my word unless we solve this fast we will be very lucky to make the 8. When we won the comp our pack was awesome and King and Kite were on fire plus we had awesome back ups like Hall all of whom were at the prime of their careers. In fact so good was our pack that Cuthbo and Willo couldn't even make the bench.
     
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    • Kiwi Eagle

      Kiwi Eagle Moderator Staff Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

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      If we go back to the start of 2008 Bryant and Hall wouldn't have gotten much higher praise than Cross has been given there, and King is playing better now than he was in 2008

      Kite is the man the onus is on, if he goes well, our pack goes well

      Rose was great in 2009, and at the start of this season, prior to injury, he was going great guns as well.
       
    • eagles2win

      eagles2win Well-Known Member

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      Unfortunately I think it'll cost us Kite to get Graham.

      If we can somehow swing Graham to play for us someone else I would be looking at getting is Josh McGuire who was great for Samoa in those two test's. McGuire has the potential to be a Origin player and it'll be interesting to see how the Broncos treat him.
       
    • King

      King Active Member

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      Before Rose got injured he was awesome.
      Cross was going well early on before he was made 18th man and didn't get a lit of game time for weeks on end.
      But I agree it appears we are short a front row forward next year. If injuries hit we will definitely struggle.
       
    • north coast eagle

      north coast eagle Active Member

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      Agree with cf2.
      We seem to have plenty of 2nd rowers now, maybe Des is thinking of using smaller more mobile forwards in the way that Bennett did this year? I doubt though we have got the right sort of backrowers though that can move up into the front row?
       
    • Ryan

      Ryan Well-Known Member

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      Disagree guys - sorry. We need to start looking at injecting:-

      James Cunningham
      Darcy Lussick
      Daniel Harrison
      Jamie Buhrer
      Tony Williams
      Junior Palau

      all into the forwards. Heck, if we want more speed / mobility, add Matai in, because I'm sure one of Oldfield / Hoppa / Whare could slot in at centre.
       
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      • north coast eagle

        north coast eagle Active Member

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        Wasnt really impressed with Palau & Lussick in Q cup - I guess they did the job but didnt dominate other packs - Lussick was guilty of some lazy defence up the middle and Palau seemed only to be used sparingly. Big step up for them to firsts - hope they prove me wrong though.
         
      • The Eagle

        The Eagle Well-Known Member

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        Kite
        King
        Watmough
        Rodney
        Stewart

        Possible FR reserves
        T Rex (or Backrow)
        Joe (or Backrow)
        Cunningham (Front)
        Cross (front with more gustom,to slow for back)

        Backrow Reserve
        Buhrer

        And moving Matai into the backrow would just kick Rodney off the team,Slight bias being a former teammate but i think he was one of our best in 2010
         
      • Masked Eagle

        Masked Eagle Well-Known Member

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        I agree that we've got plenty of cover in the outside backs and the forwards stocks don't quite have the same depth.  Thats why I was quite surprised we ended up keeping Matai.  I wanted to keep him but in this day and age I thought it was a gamble we needed to take and use that money elsewhere.

        So many variables for our props in particular next year.  Rose needs to find the hunger (not literally) he started this season off before he got injured.  That form was devastating.  Kite, I think gets a little unfairly targetted, I think bar the first half of last seasons which was fairly understandable why, his form has been pretty solid for us.  King, is kinda strange, he has limitations to his game but they get more exposed when other people aren't playing well.  If everyone else is on their game he can still contribute.  Cross, I was severly disappointed in his efforts when recalled to the side this year after missing quite a few weeks.  Gualavo played well when finally given some quality minutes.  I like Buhrer but he needs to put on some kilos, I definitely rank him in front of our off season signing from the Dogs in Harrison.  People are picking him for a first grade start next year on what I don't know.

        Rodney, Choc & Glenny are all automatic picks.  Fingers crossed they produce their best next season.


        Matt Ballin is interesting.  I definitely though he started to look like the season had started to get to him, which is understanable as it was his first playing a full 80 minutes every week.

        T-Rex is a wild card.  Purchased to be a backrower, I wonder if they still have that in mind for him?

        Anyway so many unanswered questions including the x-factor of what our new 7 will bring to the team.  Fingers crossed it will be DCE as I like the way he plays and IMO his style I can really see him forging a great combination with Choc, who actually seemed to miss Ox and his crossfield running so much he took it up himself!

        BRING ON 2011!!!!!
         
      • jbb/james

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        Shane Rodney will move up front and one of the younger blokes will fill the back row. Rodney is a big man, very mobile, makes good yards and will figure in our prop rotation next year i reckon
         
      • Fro

        Fro Well-Known Member

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        why would you play Rodney up front?

        that defies logic
         
      • Ryan

        Ryan Well-Known Member

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        Des team to start the year will be:-

        01. Brett Stewart
        02. Michael Robertson
        03. Tony Williams
        04. Jamie Lyon
        05. David Williams
        06. Keiran Foran
        07. Daly Cherry-Evans
        08. Jason King
        09. Matt Ballin
        10. Brent Kite
        11. Anthony Watmough
        12. Shane Rodney
        13. Glenn Stewart

        14. Jamie Buhrer
        15. George Rose
        16. Matt Cross
        17. Joe Galuvao

        there will be no surprises.
         
      • Guest

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        If Tony Williams is centre then we have lost the first game already.
         
      • Ryan

        Ryan Well-Known Member

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        Totally agree.
         
      • Copa Eagle

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        Props:
        1.Jason King
        2.Brent Kite
        3.Matt Cross
        4.James Cunningham

        Back Rowers:
        1.Anthony Watmough
        2.Shane Rodney
        3.Glenn Stewart
        4.Jamie Buhrer
        5.Darcy Lussick
        6.Daniel Harrison
        7.Tony Wiliiams
        8.Joe Gulavou

        Surely someone can convert to being a prop, no problems in the forward stocks !
         
      • EagleRock40

        EagleRock40 Well-Known Member

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        James Graham must be our next forward target, possibly for 2012. The idea of having a more mobile pack is fine with me, it just means either Matai or TRex may have to move into the backrow at stages during 2011. And I agree wih Kiwi, Kite has to step up as it could be his last season with us.
         
      • The Eagle

        The Eagle Well-Known Member

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        Round 1

        B Stewart
        Robertson
        Whare
        Lyon
        D Williams
        K Foran
        DCE
        Kite
        Ballin
        King
        Watmough
        Rodney
        G Stewart

        Cunningham
        Cross
        T Williams
        ??? A hooker i hope!
         
      • Central Coast Eagle

        Central Coast Eagle Active Member

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        That's a weak bench shane
         
      • Guest

        Guest Guest

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        We could of had Tasi and JWH on the becnh but the roosters got them first.
         
      • The Eagle

        The Eagle Well-Known Member

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        From what i know Gulavao is out for the 1st few rounds otherwise he'd be in Cross's place
         

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