It should be a situation where each politician can decide whichever way they want , it shouldn’t be political.
NRL & The Voice
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Yep 100% agree.
ElectricEagle
Reserve Grader
Raced based legislation. Racism at its finest.
All persons should be equal in the eyes of all law. Not first amongst equals as the voice would have it. If you want to help the indigenous people, begin in schools i.e. getting the kids to attend + getting a job etc.
All persons should be equal in the eyes of all law. Not first amongst equals as the voice would have it. If you want to help the indigenous people, begin in schools i.e. getting the kids to attend + getting a job etc.
manlyfan76
There is no A.I. Just better computers
If you call freedom having to quit the front bench and taking a paycut and go to the backbench freedom then yes they are free.
PS a bunch of them have.
My point was more about the 2 Liberals in the WA Parliament and how it would be a squabble between the 2 elected members.
Apparently the Parliamentary vehicle offered by McGowan to ecsort Libs to and from Parliament was a motor bike with a side car.
Bloke on the hill
Reserve Grader
Some people will make a bucket load out of this, all under the guise of we have the aboriginal peoples best interest at heart. Yet 20 years from now nothing much would have changed.
It's only a footy forum but even so, shamelessly spreading stuff like this is pretty irresponsible.
The constitution says that does, it?
Have you even ever read it????? Lol . fyi - it's not a bill of rights.
That's the first point.
The second is you pushing this idea that the constitution should not be changed even in the smallest way. WTF???
The australian Constitution is not some perfect document handed down by God via Moses to Edmund Barton. It's notoriously and ridiculously hard to change which explains why it still includes some awful provisions, unsurprising as it was a product of late 19th century ideology. The world and this place was an awful lot different back then
for one thing it intentionally limits commonwealth powers in order to preserve the greater power of the states - simply because of the self-interest of the colonies back in the 1890s when it was drafted. The resulting cross-over and duplication of bureaucracy in many areas including health & education literally wastes billions of dollars every year.
There's bugger all about government, or even a head of state or parties etc, but plenty of stuff about the King and the GG. It ignores the original inhabitants and defers to the UK instead of sourcing power and authority from its people, as most countries do.
And as noted, it has no bill of rights or indeed any set limits on govt powers to protect human rights. Possibly the only advanced democratic country without this!
So anyhow, I haven't weighed in on the merits of the Voice, but felt obliged to correct your fictions that the constitution ensures we're treated equally, and that it can't be a good thing to make even the smallest changes to it. On the contrary it should be scrapped and re-done from scratch.
Ok. Carry on
ElectricEagle
Reserve Grader
Does the current constitution say that persons of certain race should have more power/voice/votes than anyone else?It's only a footy forum but even so, shamelessly spreading stuff like this is pretty irresponsible.
The constitution says that does, it?
Have you even ever read it????? Lol . fyi - it's not a bill of rights.
That's the first point.
The second is you pushing this idea that the constitution should not be changed even in the smallest way. WTF???
The australian Constitution is not some perfect document handed down by God via Moses to Edmund Barton. It's notoriously and ridiculously hard to change which explains why it still includes some awful provisions, unsurprising as it was a product of late 19th century ideology. The world and this place was an awful lot different back then
for one thing it intentionally limits commonwealth powers in order to preserve the greater power of the states - simply because of the self-interest of the colonies back in the 1890s when it was drafted. The resulting cross-over and duplication of bureaucracy in many areas including health & education literally wastes billions of dollars every year.
There's bugger all about government, or even a head of state or parties etc, but plenty of stuff about the King and the GG. It ignores the original inhabitants and defers to the UK instead of sourcing power and authority from its people, as most countries do.
And as noted, it has no bill of rights or indeed any set limits on govt powers to protect human rights. Possibly the only advanced democratic country without this!
So anyhow, I haven't weighed in on the merits of the Voice, but felt obliged to correct your fictions that the constitution ensures we're treated equally, and that it can't be a good thing to make even the smallest changes to it. On the contrary it should be scrapped and re-done from scratch.
Ok. Carry on
Does the constitution even mention race at all???
The constitution probably does need to be rewritten, and our first Australians mentioned but also our immigrants , after all they are equally as important.
However , whatever is rewritten, should never favour one section of our community over another , all should be equal , with no division.
However , whatever is rewritten, should never favour one section of our community over another , all should be equal , with no division.
Ron E. Gibbs
First Grader
You might want to Google "1967 Referendum", EE.
Also, take a look at this:
Section 51(xxvi) of the Constitution of Australia - Wikipedia
Short answer: Yes, it mentions race.
I could answer that but .... Why on earth would you ask me what the australian constitution says? Or as in woodsie's case, tell us all what you assume it says?
Lol
How about reading the bloody thing!
After all, it is our constitution!
And plenty here seem to imply it is somehow sacred.
I wonder how many here have never read it?
Might be worth taking a peak at it!
The '47ers
When Eagles are silent Parrots begin to chatter
‘Why be divisive?’ Rugby wrestles with the Voice to parliament
One of Australia’s most successful Super Rugby sides has weighed into the debate over the Indigenous Voice to parliament.
“True change comes through listening, learning and taking action – and we encourage everyone in the rugby league community to get informed by the facts, and use their voice, so that we can move forward together,” a spokesperson said.‘Why be divisive?’ Rugby wrestles with the Voice to parliament
One of Australia’s most successful Super Rugby sides has weighed into the debate over the Indigenous Voice to parliament.www.smh.com.au
The more facts that I find, the more I realise this has the makings of a clusterfuuck of epic proportions.
Another week, another list as long as your arm of misinformation and deception from the ‘yes’ campaign.
But the closer we get to referendum day, the harder it is for them to hide behind the lie that this is just a “modest request”.
Albo has promised a package deal, and the divisive Voice is just the first stage.
Next come the treaties.
On Monday, news broke that already each of the treaties planned by state governments will cost you, the taxpayer, hundreds of millions of dollars.
The national treaty foisted on us by the Voice will be on a massive scale and cost billions.
Are they being up-front about that? Of course not.
Voice architect Tom Calma said the focus of Australians should “remain on the Voice”.
“Let’s get the referendum out of the way then focus on agreement making,” he told The Australian1.
And these people have the bare-faced audacity to accuse you and me of misinformation!
Take a look at the “debunking” of our arguments from Thomas Mayo, a member of Albo’s referendum group and a long-time Union and Labor Party activist2.
According to Mayo, it’s a “myth” that Indigenous people already have a Voice because there are 11 Indigenous members of Federal Parliament – including me!
Mayo reckons that doesn’t count because we represent electorates of all Australians and not Indigenous people specifically.
To state the obvious: that’s how democracy works, mate!
But our argument isn’t just about 11 Indigenous MPs, it’s also about the 300 other Indigenous representative bodies.
It’s about the National Indigenous Australians Agency which says it exists “to ensure Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples have a say in the decisions that affect them”.
It’s about the so-called Coalition of Peaks, which signed the COAG Closing the Gap agreement in 2019 as is “made up of over 80 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander community-controlled peak and member organisations across Australia”.
Many of those are elected by Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities.
They don’t count, according to Mayo, who conveniently doesn’t mention them.
He reckons the Voice isn’t dividing Indigenous people, because most of them support it (according to their polling).
Oh really? So I don’t count? So the hundreds of thousands of Indigenous Australians who oppose the divisive Voice don’t count?
So the families who walked out of the Uluru convention don’t count?
The Aboriginal Australians in remote communities who oppose the divisive Voice or who can’t be polled and don’t really know about the Voice don’t count?
This is why the Voice is so divisive and dangerous.
And it’s not divisive to point this out. It’s just a fact.
Mayo, in an effort to debunk ‘myths’, legitimises every criticism I have of the Voice.
It’s divisive, it’s dangerous, it’s a threat to our system of Government.
The pro-Voice activists know that’s the whole reason for the Voice.
And they’re determined to hide it from you.
Yours in unity,
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on behalf of FAIR AUSTRALIA
1 The Australian, ‘Treaty settlements could cost hundreds of millions and depend on size of massacres’, May 15, 2023.
2 Kalgoorlie Miner, ‘Voice myths debunked: Thomas Mayo’, May 13, 2023.
Once Was Brissie Kid
Reserve Grader
The sports bodies who don't get a vote, giving advice to the people who can vote. How dumbed down do the political powers think society has become. Advice on the national constitution law from a footy code. I'd like to see the NRL and AFL try rocking up to the polling booth. They won't find their names on the electoral roll.
@Mark from Brisbane i was just reading an article in AFR. A poll last week shows support slipping, and as you said here, is now reflecting its split along party lines.
Yet again your knowledge is only exceeded by your good looks.
Yet again your knowledge is only exceeded by your good looks.
Supreme Leader
Uber L77T playa
Just read the title to the thread and the first thing I thought was - "What does football got to do with a singing show?"
Supreme Leader
Uber L77T playa
Anyway what football got to do in any political issue? Just saying. Very divisive.
It's like rainbow jerseys
It's like rainbow jerseys
I wouldn’t vote yes or no on party lines , if I thought it would fix the navy issues I’d wholeheartedly vote yes , but I don’t , so it’s a no from me.
Absolutely no issues with indigenous recognition in the constitution.
But “ the Voice “ and powers they might have are just plain scary.
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