Not always about results but time erases the memory

[jbb/james]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/ma...o-keep-daly-cherry-evans-20160210-gmq71t.html

 

[SeaEagle21]

That was 3 yrs ago and the wound is still raw. We all know the famous line Mr Penn used to validate (to himself alone) that it’s a rsults driven business.

Time won’t heal anything here, results (winning results and success) is the only thing that would have vindicated that terrible decision.

However no matter if we were successful the last 3 yrs the matter in which a club legend, premiership winning captain, and overall loved Toovey was treated was one of the most embarrassing and shameful memories for the MWSE. The Penns pour in the money for the licence etc but i don’t trust them at all.

If we do get the spoon no amount of time will erase the fact that they delivered the one thing that no Manly fan ever wanted to earn...

 

[Harvies elbow]

From the minute Mr Big bought the train set he proved he had no idea how to drive it...

 

[jbb/james]

Can we take out of the article that cherry backflipping was part of tooveys demise. He wouldnt unless the footy dept was gorne. Its not said directly but tooves was gone six weeks after this. As was donny.

Does anyone take it differently

 

[mike walker]

Can we take out of the article that cherry backflipping was part of tooveys demise. He wouldnt unless the footy dept was gorne. Its not said directly but tooves was gone six weeks after this. As was donny.

Does anyone take it differently

G'day all,The DCE backflip had nothing to do with Tooveys demise.If not for Forans conniving they were both gone.
cheers mike

 

[nightster]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/ma...o-keep-daly-cherry-evans-20160210-gmq71t.html

"Yes, definitely," Penn said when asked if significant changes in the football department had to made to keep Cherry-Evans. "There is no question we had to paint that picture. We had to paint a picture for the future that was going to be exciting enough for him to stay.

I hope DCE is excited .... FMD

 

[Dee Why Eagle]

"The fact is it probably wasn't handled well at the time, but it's in the past and they've dealt with it. There were other well-documented issues that Choc [Watmough] had with him as well. There was tension but it has been resolved now."

So glad to hear that the Watmough issue was resolved!... Delusional

 

[madmax]

It's been a difficult year for all involved. The following would kill off any clubs season:-
Betting scandal
Protracted Salary Cap issue / Bob Fulton v NRL
Blake Green request for release & the aftermath > unable to sign players > Pearce, Moylan
Darcy Lussick blow up with Barrett
Gladstone Strip club / DCE v Hastings
Hastings v Manly
Manase Fainu sex tape
Constant innuendo regarding Taupau, Walker & now Koroisau wanting out.
Long term injuries to key players basically from the start of the premiership & on going > Sironen, Tanginoa, Walker, Koroisau, Croker, Tom T, Taufua, Lussick to name a few.
Continuation of internal bickering
CEO hunting
Constant media bashing
Have I forgotten anything? If the club can pull thru this then boy i'll enjoy watching the team unload their frustrations next year!

 

[Deleted member 26876]

It's been a difficult year for all involved. The following would kill off any clubs season:-
Betting scandal
Protracted Salary Cap issue / Bob Fulton v NRL
Blake Green request for release & the aftermath > unable to sign players > Pearce, Moylan
Darcy Lussick blow up with Barrett
Gladstone Strip club / DCE v Hastings
Hastings v Manly
Manase Fainu sex tape
Constant innuendo regarding Taupau, Walker & now Koroisau wanting out.
Long term injuries to key players basically from the start of the premiership & on going > Sironen, Tanginoa, Walker, Koroisau, Croker, Tom T, Taufua, Lussick to name a few.
Continuation of internal bickering
CEO hunting
Constant media bashing
Have I forgotten anything? If the club can pull thru this then boy i'll enjoy watching the team unload their frustrations next year!

I don't get how any of these things contribute to the pathetic defensive efforts we've seen in 2018. I do see them as excuses though, excuses that aren't genuine reasons. Does anyone know if this is actually one of (or the) worst periods in our history? The lack of changes toward fixing our soulless side is depressing to say the least. We have no promises from anyone to suggest they know what the **** to do.

 

[madmax]

It's been a difficult year for all involved. The following would kill off any clubs season:-
Betting scandal
Protracted Salary Cap issue / Bob Fulton v NRL
Blake Green request for release & the aftermath > unable to sign players > Pearce, Moylan
Darcy Lussick blow up with Barrett
Gladstone Strip club / DCE v Hastings
Hastings v Manly
Manase Fainu sex tape
Constant innuendo regarding Taupau, Walker & now Koroisau wanting out.
Long term injuries to key players basically from the start of the premiership & on going > Sironen, Tanginoa, Walker, Koroisau, Croker, Tom T, Taufua, Lussick to name a few.
Continuation of internal bickering
CEO hunti
Constant media bashing
Have I forgotten anything? If the club can pull thru this then boy i'll enjoy watching the team unload their frustrations next year!

I don't get how any of these things contribute to the pathetic defensive efforts we've seen in 2018. I do see them as excuses though, excuses that aren't genuine reasons. Does anyone know if this is actually one of (or the) worst periods in our history? The lack of changes toward fixing our soulless side is depressing to say the least. We have no promises from anyone to suggest they know what the **** to do.

If you worked in an environment where everything is going to $hi+ would you be happy & put in? I doubt it! I've worked in a place like that & all I wanted to do was leave & definitely didn't feel like playing ball. All the drama took its toll. All those excuses actually are genuine! I'd like to see your reaction if you were in the players shoes not knowing what's gonna happen tomorrow!

 

[Spartan Eagle]

The changes that Penn talks about is smoke and mirrors.

 

[Deleted member 26876]

If you worked in an environment where everything is going to $hi+ would you be happy & put in? I doubt it! I've worked in a place like that & all I wanted to do was leave & definitely didn't feel like playing ball. All the drama took its toll. All those excuses actually are genuine! I'd like to see your reaction if you were in the players shoes not knowing what's gonna happen tomorrow!

Good point although some of these efforts are just simply unacceptable, there have been moments this season where a decent proportion of our side's defensive efforts are nothing short of embarrassing. Many of these players are fighting to save their careers eg. Parker, Suli, Sipley, Winterstein, Hodko, T. Wright and Uate (when he wasn't injured) so you'd have to think they'd show more desperation than they have.

 

[jbb/james]

Ok i see the footy department changes were stuff like different colored training vests, those clear water botlles with the flat tops and a light orange fluro traffic cone instead of the bright one. Cherry would only backflip for theses changes

In other news pretty much the whole footy department staff was sacked 6 weeks after this article. Maybe they really fought for the bright orange traffic cones. It was probably a deal breaker

 

[The Who]

A team doesn't go from being dominant for 67 minutes to Under 8s standard for 6 minutes unless they are mentally fragile.
More time spent training their minds; less time spent pumping iron.

 

[Cochrane]

If you worked in an environment where everything is going to $hi+ would you be happy & put in? I doubt it! I've worked in a place like that & all I wanted to do was leave & definitely didn't feel like playing ball. All the drama took its toll. All those excuses actually are genuine! I'd like to see your reaction if you were in the players shoes not knowing what's gonna happen tomorrow!

I see it though as people who are playing sport for big contracts would/should have a different mindset. Your skills at work are often not seen by competitors, so who givza if you don't put in when your workplace is turning to ****. Rugby league players however are setting their worth with each performance that is seen by all competitors, their family and friends, and by not putting in/playing ball because of poor environment is only effecting their value for oncoming seasons by either current club/employer, or it's competitors.

That is not to say it it wouldn't have an impact on their football because for example they are not being utilised how they feel they should, not having their skills improved etc, but they should certainly be trying and not pre-determining that because the place has gone to ****, then why should they bother trying

 

[Supreme Leader]

Hey all, Didn't Penn say this was a performance based environment. Get the feeling history keeps coming back?

Why then is there a bitter divorce, is it based on non performance? 0 for 2?

Bet that offer from overseas is looking good, or maybe he wasn't interested because through the divorce he would have lost half of the sale amount?

 

[BOZO]

A team doesn't go from being dominant for 67 minutes to Under 8s standard for 6 minutes unless they are mentally fragile.
More time spent training their minds; less time spent pumping iron.

Nothing wrong with pumping Iron feathered friend . This guy pumped all the way to be Governor of California

 

[Cliffymagic]

Nothing wrong with pumping Iron feathered friend . This guy pumped all the way to be Governor of California

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Sign him up!

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

The changes that Penn talks about is smoke and mirrors.

Yes, a certain relative smokes him. In front of a mirror.