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News: Inglis equation - you do the maths

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by ManlyBacker, Aug 10, 2010.

  1. ManlyBacker

    ManlyBacker Winging it Staff Member

    +972 /7
    <p>Only a ''pub player'' payment could stand between centre Greg Inglis leaving the Storm and joining the Broncos.</p>

    <a href="http://silvertails.net/news/5043-inglis-equation-you-do-the-maths.html">Read the full article</a>
  2. Dan

    Dan Kim Jong Dan Staff Member Administrator 2016 Tipping Competitor 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +7,743 /120
    you know I don't think I would throw that much on a player who is a certainty to be missing for the rep periods, too much money, way too much money. I would prefer to have Lyon and Matai which would probably cost all up less than 1 inglis
  3. ManlyBacker

    ManlyBacker Winging it Staff Member

    +972 /7
    It is hard to see how the Broncos can balance the books. Masters forgot to mention the other salary cap elephant-in-the-room Israel Folau. Then he says that payments from the Thoroughbreds don't count towards the cap? WT.. ? We really need to get News out of the administration of the game.
  4. Frank

    Frank Well-Known Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +1,453 /27
    Folau probably wasn't mentioned because he is not part of their cap next season.

    The only solution to the whole farce that the salary cap is becoming is to introduce a system that is not based on salary. A ranking system for players is needed and a squad should only be allowed a certain amount of total points. I would then let the clubs pay whatever they want for players but their squad would be limited to a predetermined aggregate of individual player's ranking points. At least we would have transparency.

    I know this topic has been flogged to death on various forums but I hope the Independent Commission can come up with something better than what we have now.
  5. Kiwi Eagle

    Kiwi Eagle Moderator Staff Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +3,894 /65
    I wouldn't like to see a points system at all

    Using Foran as an example, he would have rated as low as possible this time 1 year ago, now he would rate up near the top end of the scale after playing rep footy, so he would have to move on or we would have to move a few more on to accomodate that
  6. yazman78

    yazman78 Member

    +0 /0
    Broncos had money leftover from when KHunt left to sign Hannant. Then with Folau's decision and also Winterstein leaving and Sims, they would have around $400k left. But with the cap increasing next year and also the marquee allowance, they managed to snare their man.

    Also with Broncos being a listed club as well as 1 of 3 Qld clubs, where rugby league is very strong, they have a lot of money available which are not initiated by the club when signing players so it doesn't count towards the cap. Maybe Manly should relocate to Qld, crowd numbers at Brookie are down anyway and we get more crowd at away games then home.
  7. ayjay007

    ayjay007 Well-Known Member

    +83 /0
    Oh,Mr Inglis,I'll just walk away from these casino chips worth $100K,and if you pick them up they're yours.You may be extremely lucky to find the keys to a BMW lying on the floor RIGHT in front of you.Funny,there must be 2 greg inglis' with beamers registered in QLD!!!
  8. Guest

    Guest Guest

    +0 /0
    At least in Q:LD he will get better use of his fishing boat
  9. SeaEagleRock8

    SeaEagleRock8 Sea Eagle Lach Staff Member Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +10,565 /215
    Does that mean he'll play if they give him a pub?
  10. Frank

    Frank Well-Known Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

    +1,453 /27
    The method for allocating points would have to be well thought out. Would you give Foran the same rating as his Aussie test equivalent? It's quite possible that there may be several players playing as Australians who may rank as better players than all other players playing in their position for other countries. For example if Foran played 5/8 I still wouldn't rate him as highly as Lockyer. He therefore couldn't command anywhere near the same money at this stage of his career - so maybe he would stay. You would somehow have to consolidate all test teams and come up with a global rating that includes all players and not just test players.

    I used this method as an example without putting too much thought into it. I'm convinced there has to be a better way than the method we currently use. I believe the current method was designed more to protect clubs from reckless spending and insolvency rather than trying to evenly distribute talent throughout the NRL.
  11. The Who

    The Who Well-Known Member Premium Member

    +7,257 /173
    I can't see how a points system could work.
    But I think Cronulla should be relocated to Brisbane, where the money and the crowds are. And the name "sharks" fits nicely with the Brisbane atministrators.
  12. Chuck

    Chuck Active Member

    +103 /7
    Correct, and if the grant to the clubs ends up matching the salary cap (which it will within 2 years most likely), then this won't matter anymore. Thank god

    However I don't believe a points system is the way to go. It it just far too subjective. There has to be more incentive for players that come up through a junior system to stay with their club, more allowances for long-serving players, and a bigger slice of money for rep players from tests and origin games to help with stars going to Super League and cross-codes.

    Removing the QRL and ARL would be a great start.
  13. ManlyBacker

    ManlyBacker Winging it Staff Member

    +972 /7
    On the day the Melbourne Storm salary cap scandal broke, a rival club official told the Herald: ''If this just ends up with Greg Inglis going to the Broncos, it is a disgrace.''

    It may have taken nearly four months to become official but there are many in the game who believe the transfer of the NRL's biggest star from one News Ltd club to another was a fait accompli as soon as the severity of the Storm's salary cap breach became evident.

    In the 12 seasons since the formation of the NRL, News Ltd-owned teams have won six premierships (Broncos 1998, 2000 and 2006 and Storm 1999, 2007 and 2009) and been losing grand finalists three times (Cowboys 2005, Storm 2006 and 2008).

    With Inglis moving to Brisbane, one bookmaker expects the Broncos to triumph again next season and has already installed them as 2011 premiership favourites. The Storm will also have a strong roster next year, with Cameron Smith, Billy Slater and Cooper Cronk staying put.

    After talks with NRL salary cap auditor Ian Schubert over the findings contained in the News Ltd-commissioned Deloitte report on the Storm's salary cap rorting, the size of next season's projected $1.325 million breach has been scaled down. As a result, Melbourne officials insist they could have retained Inglis and the other trio.

    What fans and those at other clubs therefore want to know is why the Storm finally agreed to release the 23-year-old Test centre and how the Broncos could afford him.

    The lack of transparency throughout this drawn-out process has only encouraged scepticism and conspiracy theories - many of which are fuelled by the fact that News Ltd owns the Storm outright, is the Broncos' major shareholder and holds a 50 per cent stake in the NRL.

    While up to 10 rival clubs had initially expressed interest in Inglis if he became available, none aside from the Broncos were given the opportunity to talk to him until Gold Coast chief executive Michael Searle weighed in with a belated bid three weeks ago after learning that the Storm were considering releasing him to Brisbane. However, all the Titans really succeeded in doing was making sure the Broncos paid close to the full value for Inglis, as few in the game believed he was ever going anywhere other than Brisbane.

    Even after the move was confirmed yesterday there remained widespread confusion about how the deal works as Brisbane boss Bruno Cullen told reporters the club had not increased its offer of $400,000 plus a car.

    The NRL has insisted from the outset that the full amount of Inglis's deal with the Storm - revealed during the salary cap investigation to be $660,000 a season although since revised down to $620,000 - must be included in the combined salary caps of Melbourne and any club he joined.

    Yet new Melbourne chief executive Ron Gauci told a press conference that the difference between the two deals would have a ''minimal impact'' on the club's second-tier salary cap, meaning the amount the Storm are subsiding his transfer to Brisbane must be less than the NRL's minimum wage of $55,000.

    As revealed in yesterday's Herald, Brisbane's deal with Inglis is valued about $580,000 a season for the next two years and includes several third-party deals, with the Storm paying the remaining $40,000. The Queensland Former Origin Greats [FOGs] deal, an indigenous ambassador's role worth between $20,000 and $30,000, was available to any NRL club that signed Inglis but until the Herald made inquiries three weeks ago there was a widespread belief that it was exclusive to the Broncos.

    While the conspiracy theories surrounding Inglis's move remain just that, greater transparency from all parties over what has been a uniquely controversial and complicated move would have made sense to at least avoid any perception that the deal is anything but above board. Furthermore, the independent commission should make it one of its first items of business to simplify a salary cap system that has become too complicated and open to abuse.

    Brad Walter smh.com.au
  14. ManlyBacker

    ManlyBacker Winging it Staff Member

    +972 /7
    Andrew Webster The Daily Telegraph

    IF EVER there was a time when the NRL should have thrown out the rulebook and declared every single detail of a player contract, this was it.
    Instead, the not-so-surprising announcement yesterday that Greg Inglis had finally done the business to become a Bronco from next season has left a pall of suspicion hanging over the code - again.

    Now Brisbane have their own Fab Four: Darren Lockyer, Sam Thaiday, Justin Hodges and the most destructive centre in the code, who is believed to have signed a two-year deal worth upwards of $1 million.

    While Inglis's departure relieves Melbourne's salary cap pressure, fans, players and rival club bosses were steaming. The signing also clashes with remarks from Brisbane chief executive Bruno Cullen to this journalist last month when the Inglis deal seemed a pipedream.

    "Just because Israel Folau is going to AFL doesn't mean we have $400,000 sitting in the salary cap to spend," he said on July 12. "If we were to sign him [Inglis], we cannot and will not be able to pay what his full value is. We are not going to pretend that if we were to sign him today that we would have the money to do so.

    "We have extended and re-signed many of our younger players for the next two to three years and that has eaten into plenty of our cap."

    Yesterday, Cullen told a press conference that the "scenery has changed" in terms of the third-party agreements.

    Really? The loosening of those agreements - in particular a $150,000 lift in the marquee player allowance that was crucial to the deal - was announced on June 22.

    Yet Cullen had expressed his pessimism long after that.

    There was all manner of innuendo flying about last night, but some claimed the magical figure was $610,000 per season with third-party agreements and another $40,000 tipped in by the Storm as part of their second-tier salary cap.

    Storm insiders reported that they had to take the Inglis deal on "face value". But take it to the bank that other club chief executives were furious that Brisbane could sign a player of Inglis's calibre.
  15. codewana

    codewana Active Member

    +58 /0
    Could be totally wrong here, but isn't Lyon our most expensive player? Why do I remember a figure of over $500K for him?
  16. Mark from Brisbane

    Mark from Brisbane Living the dream Premium Member

    +19,681 /383
    Like many things in this game this smells....smells really bad.

    But yes I'd get your money on the Bronco's for 2011, keep those cattle on the paddock for a season and they'll be very hard to beat.

    This year will make 19 seasons in a row they have made the finals, next year would be 20.....a VERY one sided affair up here with no real competittion in a city half the size of Sydney
  17. weev

    weev Well-Known Member

    +849 /22
    Remember too that third-party payments are legal if the club is not involved. So for Inglis, it really is a matter of, say, a Brisbane business or two, maybe a cap maker and sports store, independently offering him bucks for an endorsement, a photo, an appearance.

    It's all legal - and not included in the salary cap - as long as the footy club has in no way brokered, suggested, arranged the deal.

    This will be the new cheating.

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