Missed Tackles in the NRL

[Brookie Bob]

Worth a read

Applying more context to missed tackles - The Rugby League Eye Test

In addition to the work shown last week for Expected Run Metres version 2.0, I also put some work during the off season around finding a way to evaluating players defensively. For quite some time I’ve wanted to find a better way to measure defensive performance beyond just missed and made...

www.rugbyleagueeyetest.com

 

[Disco]

Rugbyleagueeyetest is a great site....as is rugbyleaguewriters

 

[Phobia]

If you had told me that Tommy Talau would become one of the statistically best defenders in the comp when we signed him, I wouldn't have believed you. He's done a great job here.

A few on here will be surprised to not see Garrick here... It's almost as if he's not the team's biggest problem!!!

Also, very clearly our statistics show that missing tackles is not our problem. We're up there with Penrith in terms of the scramble in the defence, and will probably only improve with Tevaga, another of the statistically best defenders according to the eye test. Our defensive problems lie elsewhere.

 

[madmax]

If you had told me that Tommy Talau would become one of the statistically best defenders in the comp when we signed him, I wouldn't have believed you. He's done a great job here.

A few on here will be surprised to not see Garrick here... It's almost as if he's not the team's biggest problem!!!

Also, very clearly our statistics show that missing tackles is not our problem. We're up there with Penrith in terms of the scramble in the defence, and will probably only improve with Tevaga, another of the statistically best defenders according to the eye test. Our defensive problems lie elsewhere.

Yeah the meatheads who keep dissing Garrick!

 

[BOZO]

Yeah the meatheads who keep dissing Garrick!

Compared to some water pistol centres Manly has had in the last few years
Garrick is a Genuine Gun

 

[The Who]

A few of we Silvertails remember rugby league when there was only one statistic kept: the scorers. It was a very good sport back then, too.
At the end of a match you could tell who played well and who didn't. No statistics needed.
At the other end of the spectrum is gridiron, where every move is pre-planned. NRL is headed that way.

 

[BOZO]

A few of we Silvertails remember rugby league when there was only one statistic kept: the scorers. It was a very good sport back then, too.
At the end of a match you could tell who played well and who didn't. No statistics needed.
At the other end of the spectrum is gridiron, where every move is pre-planned. NRL is headed that way.

I am not sure about that feathered friend .
It does not matter whether the game is pre-planned or not
The great players will always stand out
We will always know who played well and who did not
The winners will always stand out from the losers

 

[maxta]

Just on tackle stats, it is harder to work out in the modern game due to tackle techniques and the rewards for 3rd and 4th man in....
Old stats were earier as low tackles were the way to go "they can't run without legs"
Today the initial 2 contacts are high to lock up the ball with extra's then coming in to contain and then dominate by getting the attacker onto his back slowing down the play ball.
I feel many misses are from getting stepped, or brushed aside by going high and the old low tackles will always be the most effective style, but without the rewards and in fact, getting penalised (Jake get off)....it encourages the high shots, rather than low tackles and then they complain about high tackles?
The increase in post metres are also due to the legs not being chopped until the 3rd player comes in.
It's a hard thing to judge as for example, Croker could make 44 tackles while Olakau'latu makes 15, but 7 are bone crunchers and creates 3 turnovers.....the impact of a defender is a big part of the game and the "impact plays" are game changers, so this is a MUST include for any stats if they go this way imo.

 

[lsz]

What I find annoying is the belief from some people that the very limited stats we see are anything other than a way to help score super coach.

When ever you hear anyone involved in the game talk about it they almost all have their own measures that they use which are often a combination of existing + new

 

[Dion Johnson]

The rugby league eye test statistics are well put together and give good insights, though like most statistics they are not the full picture.

In my view statistics in the game are valuable, though they are not a comprehensive measure of a player or team's performance due to the complexity and multifaceted nature of rugby league.

Looking at the data on missed tackles there are other factors in defence that don’t give the holistic view of a defensive team or player.

In my view a defender can be recognised as a good tackler if he consistently demonstrates strong physical ability, timing, and technique when confronting and bringing down the opposing players.

This skill indicates the defender's capability to stop attackers effectively in one-on-one situations as the data shows.

For me despite a defenders prowess, he can struggle with poor positioning and reading of the attack, which highlights a different aspect of defensive play. The data doesn’t show this.

Poor positioning means the player may not be optimally placed relative to the attacking line, which can lead to gaps and overlaps that the attacking side can exploit (our right side defence is an example of this).

An inability to read the attack implies the defender struggles to anticipate the attacking team's movements and strategies, resulting in slow or incorrect reactions as plays unfold.

While they may excel in the technical execution of tackles, their lack of spatial awareness and anticipatory skills can compromise the overall defensive structure and effectiveness of the team.

While useful, statistics should be considered alongside qualitative assessments for a holistic understanding of a player or team’s performance.

 

[eaglebuzz]

You don't need stats to know that Garrick is an ordinary defender in the centres, just eyes.

 

[Disco]

Was great in attack though.

Hopefully his defence can improve or a move to the wing is the go.....if it isnt already.

 

[madmax]

You don't need stats to know that Garrick is an ordinary defender in the centres, just eyes.

Mate give it up! You sound like a broken record. Your Garrick bashing is boring, you’re boring!

 

[eaglebuzz]

Mate give it up! You sound like a broken record. Your Garrick bashing is boring, you’re boring!

Mute button is your friend, then

 

[madmax]

Mute button is your friend, then

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[eaglebuzz]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

This (last reply) is more for your benefit than mine:

I don't care what you think, sorry.

 

[eaglebuzz]

Anyone who thinks Garrick doesn't have a problem defending in the centres needs to look at the PM's 13 game against PNG from last year. He was getting carved up by NSW Cup players

 

[madmax]

This (last reply) is more for your benefit than mine:

I don't care what you think, sorry.

As you can see I don’t care what you think of Garrick…..go Manly!