[Resurrected] Lol @ Parra

[Blucky]

This is sounding more and more like Greenburg is covering up what he did at the Bulldogs, which may mean that he is likely to be implicated himself in their salary cap rorting. Makes more and more sense. Maybe he'll have to stand down too ?

 

[Utility Player]

^ wow.

There were less denials at the Nuremberg trials than with this Parra mob!

But hopefully more hangings at Parra

 

[MissKate]

any parra player wanting to muck up/screw up/bring the game into disrepute NOW IS YOUR TIME This might be a once in a lifetime offer. Do whatever you like and togslime will turn a blind eye. Party's on!!

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

This is sounding more and more like Greenburg is covering up what he did at the Bulldogs, which may mean that he is likely to be implicated himself in their salary cap rorting. Makes more and more sense. Maybe he'll have to stand down too ?

If there's a god YES!!

 

[manlyfan76]

If I was Richie rich I'd give Gutho a third party payment just for him to come out and say he wants outof Parra, almost sign with someone only to backflip at the last moment as many times as possible. With the guarantee that he could come back to Manly once Parra were farked.

 

[KOMORI]

If there's a god YES!!

Does that look like a man that will stand down and admit he's wrong......or admit to anything?

 

[Loobs]

I wonder how Foran's hammy will hold up if he's not hopped up on painkillers..?

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

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Does that look like a man that will stand down and admit he's wrong......or admit to anything?

Sickening really, ****ing tosser!!

 

[HappilyManly]

A fan-led push for Parramatta to play out the rest of the season for no competition points to ensure Nathan Peats stays is fast growing momentum.

MORE: Rabbitohs' secret player meeting reveals dirty secrets l Family member lets slip potential Peats Parra move

Messages containing the hashtag #PeatsoverPoints have been plastered all over social media by irate Eels fans demanding the popular hooker is not forced out of the club just to satisfy the NRL’s salary cap police.

A growing number of fans insist they would rather write off the 2016 season and start concentrating on 2017 if it meant Peats didn’t have to leave.

Dave Moy summed up the feelings of many when he wrote on the club’s Facebook page: “I'd rather that we played for zero points than lose a great player and a genuinely good bloke like Peats. These rushed, cut throat decisions to make the Friday deadline could impact the club for the next two or three seasons or longer if the current team culture and camaraderie is pulled apart. These are major long term decisions that are being made for a very short term result.”

Others took to Twitter to offer their support for Peats.

http://www.sportingnews.com/league/...n-gaining-momentum/1vcnenw6h3elr10qa0gjhr87cr

 

[Woodsie]

A fan-led push for Parramatta to play out the rest of the season for no competition points to ensure Nathan Peats stays is fast growing momentum.

MORE: Rabbitohs' secret player meeting reveals dirty secrets l Family member lets slip potential Peats Parra move

Messages containing the hashtag #PeatsoverPoints have been plastered all over social media by irate Eels fans demanding the popular hooker is not forced out of the club just to satisfy the NRL’s salary cap police.

A growing number of fans insist they would rather write off the 2016 season and start concentrating on 2017 if it meant Peats didn’t have to leave.

Dave Moy summed up the feelings of many when he wrote on the club’s Facebook page: “I'd rather that we played for zero points than lose a great player and a genuinely good bloke like Peats. These rushed, cut throat decisions to make the Friday deadline could impact the club for the next two or three seasons or longer if the current team culture and camaraderie is pulled apart. These are major long term decisions that are being made for a very short term result.”

Others took to Twitter to offer their support for Peats.

http://www.sportingnews.com/league/...n-gaining-momentum/1vcnenw6h3elr10qa0gjhr87cr

Well, some real character at last.

 

[Shoe1]

A fan-led push for Parramatta to play out the rest of the season for no competition points to ensure Nathan Peats stays is fast growing momentum.

MORE: Rabbitohs' secret player meeting reveals dirty secrets l Family member lets slip potential Peats Parra move

Messages containing the hashtag #PeatsoverPoints have been plastered all over social media by irate Eels fans demanding the popular hooker is not forced out of the club just to satisfy the NRL’s salary cap police.

A growing number of fans insist they would rather write off the 2016 season and start concentrating on 2017 if it meant Peats didn’t have to leave.

Dave Moy summed up the feelings of many when he wrote on the club’s Facebook page: “I'd rather that we played for zero points than lose a great player and a genuinely good bloke like Peats. These rushed, cut throat decisions to make the Friday deadline could impact the club for the next two or three seasons or longer if the current team culture and camaraderie is pulled apart. These are major long term decisions that are being made for a very short term result.”

Others took to Twitter to offer their support for Peats.

http://www.sportingnews.com/league/...n-gaining-momentum/1vcnenw6h3elr10qa0gjhr87cr

Parra is accustomed to playing for very few points per season, so it won't be a big stretch to play for none.

As a manly fan on the other hand I'm disappointed if we get less than 36. Yes I'm rarely satisfied but we aim high.

 

[Rodo]

Why AFL clubs live in fear of cheating the salary cap

• Greg Denham, Patrick Smith
• The Australian
• May 11, 2016 12:00AM

Gobsmacked is not a word you often apply to AFL officials. It is not something they do in public. They might retreat to another room and wail and whine because emotions such as astonishment are reserved for a quiet corner of an empty room.

To be gobsmacked is to be surprised beyond belief. Yet when The Australian asked a well-placed boffin at the league headquarters why AFL clubs, once notorious rorters of the salary cap, had become model AFL citizens the league heavy spluttered his disbelief that the subject was even brought up.

“They wouldn’t dare. They know the consequence. They know the risk is far too great to even risk breaching the cap,” he said fighting back the bile that was climbing up his throat.

After retreating to another room to rid himself of the last drop of flabbergast, the official suggested that the penalties delivered to Carlton in 2002 were so severe that the risk and reward of salary cheating could not be justified.

Following a lengthy AFL Commission meeting that went past midnight in November 2002, Carlton was fined almost $1 million for breaches of the salary cap and disqualified from their top two national draft selections in successive years. Here was a famous line-in-the-sand moment. It made sense then that when in 2002 the Canterbury Bulldogs were fined $500,000 and had the 37 points accrued that season ripped away a line in the sand had turned to a ditch in the gravel for the league clubs. Not at all. In 2010 Melbourne Storm’s salary cap cheating was exposed. The club had two premierships deleted from history and copped a $1.6m fine to boot.

Surely the gully had turned into a gorge. Not so. We give you the Parramatta Dills, the dumbest sporting club in Australia. They have had all 12 premiership points deleted, fined $1m and ruled ineligible to earn points for the rest of the season unless they can find a $570,000 cut in their salary outlays.

The question is why are the NRL clubs so reckless and corrupt in their administration of the salary cap compared to the AFL choir boys who have had only one major breach since Carlton was neutered 14 years ago. When the AFL Commission brought hell down on Carlton the then commission chairman, the late Ron Evans, said: “Carlton’s latest salary cap breaches were a deliberate, elaborate and sophisticated scheme to break the player payment rules. Carlton members and supports ought to feel betrayed by the actions of their club.” And as a consequence club administrators were spooked, according to a survey taken of clubs this week by The Australian. Clubs who had previously flaunted the rules, used cash and other incentives to recruit or retain players outside the player-payment rules were terrified. The biggest salary cap penalties for one club turned everyone legitimate.

So why did not the Canterbury penalties in the same year not shock the NRL clubs into a bout of honesty? And if the Canterbury horror failed to correct the corrupt practice of cap rorting why didn’t Storm’s humiliation and loss of precious premierships?

The Australian’s investigation has found the answers to be myriad but the single most important factor is draft picks.

The penalties to the Blues, then under the guidance of John Elliott, set the club back a decade and more. In 2002 the club had finished 16th and last — hardly clever cheating — and in the 13 seasons since reached the finals just four times and never completed a season higher than fifth. It was not the fine that hurled Carlton into mediocrity and a nation’s ridicule but the withdrawal of their draft picks. The money can be found with a whip-around of the coterie groups and a kind benefactor or two but without entry to the top end of the draft for two years Carlton had their future ripped away. The club’s recruiters had to stand by and watch the likes of Brendon Goddard, Daniel Wells, Jared Brennan, Jarrad McVeigh, Stephen Gilham and Tom Lonergan picked up by their opposition. And that was just 2002. In 2003 Carlton were spectators as Adam Cooney, Andrew Walker, Colin Sylvia, Farren Ray, Brent Stanton, David Mundy and Jed Adock become opposition players. Because rugby league does not have a draft the ARL Commission that runs the NRL does not have the crippling power of draft sanctions as a punishment and deterrent.

Since Carlton’s castration only one club has breached the rules in a significant way. Adelaide was fined $300,000 and barred from the first two rounds and from taking any father-son selections in the 2013 national draft after they were discovered to have broken player rules with Kurt Tippett. The league uncovered unauthorised payments of $170,000 and an illegal agreement to trade Tippett to a club of his choice (Sydney) for a second-round draft pick when his contract expired at the end of 2012. Tippett was suspended for the Swans’ first 11 home-and-away games and fined $50,000 for accepting the conditions. Adelaide officials were also fined and suspended as was Tippett’s agent.

The NRL appears vulnerable to salary cap cheating because it does not have as sophisticated rules and education system in place. Indeed NRL has sent officials to AFL headquarters to draw from the league’s experiences. In 2001, the AFL employed one investigations manager. It now has an integrity unit of eight, within its legal, integrity and compliance group. As one club chief executive told The Australian yesterday: “The AFL, by agreement with the clubs for better scrutiny of the rules, has more power than the Australian Tax Office”.

He said: “It gets down to governance of the AFL, and club administrators have to be extremely diligent. The ramifications for not complying are huge and far reaching for everyone. Clubs have agreed to be monitored down to bank statements, money transfers and phone records.” Such heavy scrutiny also applies to players and player agents.

The AFL also made legal what clubs were doing illegally. They increased the cap significantly and then gave cap relief to clubs through veterans’ payments, travel allowances, third-party agreements and other measures clubs were dealing with outside the rules.

There are only three ways players can be paid — under the cap by normal player payments (wages), by the additional services agreement (marketing component) which is about $1 million annually per club, and by third-party arrangements which are independent of the clubs. The only other anomaly is when a player is employed by the AFL in an ambassadorial role, such as Gary Ablett’s first Gold Coast contract to promote the code in Queensland.

Third-party agreements have changed drastically since Chris Judd’s original Visy agreement with Carlton. The qualification rules are more rigid and employment agreements have changed. There are no limits to earnings outside the cap, but the earning capacity must be justified and endorsed by the AFL. The AFL now demands ongoing regular compliance from clubs with up-to-date data supplied to the league. Over the past decade this has been ramped up with heavy penalties for lapses by clubs who fail to meet deadlines. Three other things have changed over the past decade. Clubs have more people and more quality personnel in areas of governance. Their systems and processes are better, and player managers are accredited and have been made more accountable for their clients.

So with new and tighter measures in place and a beefed up integrity operation at headquarters, it is no coincidence that since Carlton’s massive whack for systematic rorting, only one club — Adelaide — has taken a big fall.

Under the NRL protocols punishment is immediate. Under the AFL and its national draft punishments are both immediate and long-term. After the Bulldogs transgressed in 2002 they won the premiership two years later. As for the Blues they have just started to play catch-up now.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...p/news-story/785bb52bda55765022d784ed463e6dda

Interesting article, shows yet again how incredibly incompetent the NRL is.

Just shows you how much better run the AFL are over the NRL. If only the NRL was run like the AFL then maybe, just maybe the NRL could be a truly "National" Rugby League.

The NRL are weak and it is no wonder the NRL clubs flaunt the system like they do.

 

[Nordburg]

Not sure if anyone has suggested this as yet but why doesn't Manly chase Foran?Parra will have to pay most of this yrs contract and with Manly likely to move on at least 3 or 4 players next yr and Lyon retiring and maybe more,salary cap won't be a problem

 

[lsz]

To be fair the afl did not have the legal challenge the NRL had re player draft (God bless terry hill)

 

[HappilyManly]

Not sure if anyone has suggested this as yet but why doesn't Manly chase Foran?Parra will have to pay most of this yrs contract and with Manly likely to move on at least 3 or 4 players next yr and Lyon retiring and maybe more,salary cap won't be a problem

Noooooooo

Deadbeat was high maintenance before he left.
Now he is on record as lauding them the best group of Players that he has ever played with, Norman the best halves partner he has ever had and the best move that he ever made was to Parra.

He can rot there till he wants

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

I gave you a like to balance it up! I don't believe in 'punishing' posters for relaying content! Otherwise how would we get all the 'fair and balanced' news???


edit: lol @ parra

Well I just gave you a dislike, because we shouldn't take these ratings too seriously.

But I couldn't go through with it, so I undid my dislike

 

[qldeagle]

any parra player wanting to muck up/screw up/bring the game into disrepute NOW IS YOUR TIME This might be a once in a lifetime offer. Do whatever you like and togslime will turn a blind eye. Party's on!!

It's pants off then.

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

^ wow.

There were less denials at the Nuremberg trials than with this Parra mob!

Look, give the Third Rort hierarchy a break...they were just following orders.

 

[mbe]

Just heard on 7 news that Titans offered Peats an 18 month deal but the money they offered was not enough to help Parramatta, so they (Parramatta) will have to get rid of another player if they want to play for points.

 

[niccipops]

Just heard on 7 news that Titans offered Peats an 18 month deal but the money they offered was not enough to help Parramatta, so they (Parramatta) will have to get rid of another player if they want to play for points.

Awesome. Lol @ Parra.