1. Whenever Lyon/Matai or anyone else for Manly kick off, the ball very rarely lands between the try line and dead ball. It always seems to fall between the twenty and ten metre line. I can understand if the kicks had a heap of hang time but they don't . 2. Our kickers hardly ever put up spiral/ floating bombs, rather they put up predictable up and overs. Look at some of Cronk and Sandows kicks. They terrorise most fullbacks. 3. Our inability to consistently turn 4 points into 6 and no back up kicker for Lyon who is an average kicker in any case.