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Life after death.

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by mozgrame, Oct 28, 2015.

  1. mozgrame

    mozgrame Well-Known Member

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    The afterlife. A real thing or wishful thinking? We've all heard stories of near death experiences, some, if not most of us, have probably heard first hand from a friend or relative an account of such experiences that has occurred to them. So, could it be a real event? Are we really just here to fulfil our life mission before returning "home" and moving on to a higher spiritual existence, or do we simply reincarnate again and again until we get it right? What's your thoughts on this subject? Here is a little light reading to help with your hypothesis....

    What happens to our minds when we die? Scientists may be closer to answering this question than ever.

    Researchers at the University of Southampton have completed the largest study ever on near-death and out-of-body experiences, and the results may have big implications for how we view death.

    The study: A team of scientists led by Sam Parnia, of the State University of New York at Stony Brook, examined the cognitive processes of survivors from a pool of 2,060 cardiac arrest patients during a four-year observational study. Nearly 40% of the more than 330 survivors surveyed reported some form of "awareness" during the time that they were considered clinically dead by responding medical staff, all while their hearts weren't beating.

    One in 5 claimed a state of prosaic contentment or peace had fallen upon them, while one-third reported some form of subjective time dilation. Some 13% felt as though they had physically left their bodies. Nearly 46% of the cardiac arrest patients reported various flashes of memory; 46% had memories with seven "major cognitive themes": fear, animals and plants, bright light, violence and persecution, deja-vu and family. A full 2% described "seeing" and "hearing" actual events related to their resuscitation.

    If memories weren't blurred by sedation and or brain injury, the team expects that even more of the patients would have reported such experiences.

    "Clearly, the recalled experience surrounding death now merits further genuine investigation without prejudice," Parnia said in a press release. He added that "millions" of people have likely had "vivid experiences" while facing death, but that the scientific literature simply hasn't taken such claims seriously. The results of his research were recently published in the journal Resuscitation.

    So what's on the other side? One man, a 57-year-old social worker, was able to accurately describe some elements of the scene that ensued while he was being attended to by nurses. The Telegraph reports:

    "We know the brain can't function when the heart has stopped beating," said Dr. Sam Parnia [...] "But in this case, conscious awareness appears to have continued for up to three minutes into the period when the heart wasn't beating, even though the brain typically shuts down within 20 to 30 seconds after the heart has stopped.

    "The man described everything that had happened in the room, but importantly, he heard two bleeps from a machine that makes a noise at three minute intervals. So we could time how long the experienced lasted for.

    "He seemed very credible, and everything that he said had happened to him had actually happened."
    This sounds to hard to believe, but the researchers aren't pop physicians hunting for a splashy magazine cover. Parnia himself is well-known for his previous research into resuscitation, which has included developing more effective emergency medical techniques. At the Stony Brook University School of Medicine in New York, Parnia was able to help bring the resuscitation rate to around 38%; the national average in the U.S. is around 16%.

    For Parnia, resurrection is a medical possibility. Parnia told Der Spiegel that recent medical research indicates that persons can be brought back to life with no neurological damage "at least 40 minutes" after the cessation of life functions, while most doctors stop at around 20. His method includes cooling the body to slow consumption of oxygen and cell death, but it requires the involvement of multiple specialists to pull off.

    Why it matters: Parnia believes that vivid near-death experiences are both widespread and poorly understood by the scientific community, noting that experiments which found surging brain activity in mice with induced cardiac arrest could be explained by any number of factors. But the newest study provides more evidence for his theory that consciousness continues to exist after what looks like death, if only for a short time. It's not proof that anything lies beyond, but may nonetheless expand our understanding of death as a process, rather than an on/off switch that just flips at the end of life.

    "These experiences feel very real to those who had them," Parnia told Der Spiegel. "Why should we doubt the reality of their experience? NDEs occur everywhere, in all cultures, in every country, in religious people and atheists, even in children younger than three years old. It would be wrong to see them as mere fabrications. It looks like people's consciousness does not get annihilated just because they are in the early stages of death. It's a medical paradox."

    He had some comforting words, too. "From what the patients describe, we have to conclude that death is a pleasant experience for most people," said Parnia. "I think we have no reason to be afraid of it."

  2. mozgrame

    mozgrame Well-Known Member

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    Carl Jung suffered a heart attack late in his life and had a near death experience that he shared. Contrary to the mistaken views of one of our beloved "ironsteins" here at silvertails, who so boldly declared that Jung was petrified of death ( you should really read more. You know who you are ;) ) Jung suffered greatly when he resumed his earthly role. He stated that we need to understand that aging, instead of being a time of ossification and decline, was in fact a profoundly important stage of psychological and spiritual growth. More amazingly, he argued that death was actually the goal and fulfillment of life.

    In his own words after his near death experience..

    “We are so convinced that death is simply the end of a process that it does not ordinarily occur to us to conceive of death as a goal and a fulfillment.”

    “It would seem to be more in accord with the collective psyche of humanity to regard death as the fulfillment of life’s meaning and as its goal in the truest sense, instead of a meaningless cessation.”

    “Death is the hardest thing from the outside and as long as we are outside of it. But once inside you taste of such completeness and peace and fulfillment that you don’t want to return.”

    “…death appears as a joyful event. In light of eternity, it is a wedding…The soul attains, as it were, its missing half, it achieves wholeness.

    “What happens after death is so unspeakably glorious that our imagination and our feelings ado not suffice to form even an approximate conception of it.”

    So, if the spirit lives on as we progress in our energetic based existence, why do we have the notion of Heaven and Hell drummed into our conscious and subconscious from when we are small? We know that Jesus was a real life, walking and talking person, and we know he said that to follow him and live by the example he gave us would guide us to the glory when we died. There is a huge point to make here. Jesus was not, and did not represent Christianity or the church. I like the message Jesus was giving, but I do not like the way it has been twisted to suit the power hungry.

    I think the notions of Heaven and Hell are given to us by the church to control our behavioural instincts while we are alive.

    I, like Jesus, am not a fan of churches, or their fear driven control methods. Jesus said that it is not through faith and ritual that one comes to God, but by self knowledge and acts of kindness.
    Last edited: Nov 3, 2015
  3. Danko

    Danko New Member

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    Thanks for the info!
  4. manlyfan76

    manlyfan76 Parra Trolls are the best. Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

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    A lot of things happen once your dead, its just that none of them involve you because you're dead.

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