Leadership

Not sure how this relates to my post in relation to your defence points, as if to say i don't rate what DCE does in defence.

DCE's work rate in defence will never be questioned.(positioning in defence is another story though)

A team with good defence shows to me the effort parts of the game and team attitude is right, you need that foundation to stay in games and have/earned the right to win them.

But the analogy of "defence wins games" is over-used this day and age. If your attack is useless, your go forward is poor, the team struggles for good field position, your kicking game lacks distance or creativity, too many drop balls and so on and so on it will add pressure to the defence and exhaust the entire squad.

Defence is a solid foundation but should not be seen as the main method of winning games because if your attacking elements are poor it places more pressure on your defence to hold out.

Des was lucky he could concentrate on defensive structures and mindset all off season because Manly as much as our attacking structures were poor last year still had points in us and strong go forward elements to our game.

The mindset and attitude in the place/squad has been poor and it showed up in our defence also, this is what Des has really honed in on.

If anything the defence has overtaken the attack development wise, our attack needs to improve if Manly are going to go to the next level.
The rest of this post is a ****ing laugh.

Defence doesn’t win games if every other aspect of your footballing is ****? Wow! Who’d have thought?
 
That’s ironic because the only reason I said it was down to the fact that your response did not relate to my initial post.

I was talking about DCE showing leadership in defence and you decided to make it about his attack...so I replied by saying that his defence is just as important as what he does with the ball.

You changed the tack of the thread, not me.
The point i was making in regards to attack in my initial post is that Leadership is not just limited by effort, or defence, or speaking well in public, it also comes to having composure(good leaders have composure under pressure) in attack and running the team around.

Now to the "Ballplayer" point, i state my opinions out of respect to the true ballplayers who have honed the craft since their first days playing the game, i'm sick of every player who "passes before the line" as being a "ballplayer", you have to earn the right to be called that in my eyes.

Did i ever state that Jake needs to be a ballplayer, has a nice pass on him better than most forwards which makes him an effective linkman to push the half wider, has shown the odd ball-playing touch in him that he can build upon to mix up the linkman options.(because it is a yawn to watch at times)
 

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