lack of a running game at hooker concerns

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Manly legend Geoff Toovey believes the Sea Eagles’ lack of a running game at hooker could prevent them from matching the top teams in the 2022 premiership race.

Star hooker Manase Fainu’s legal fight to clear his name over an alleged Church stabbing has again cast a shadow over his potential involvement in Manly’s 2022 campaign.

In his place Lachlan Croker did a solid job to fill the void over the last couple of seasons, but his lack of a running game makes the Manly attack predictable at times as the Sea Eagles found out against Melbourne and Souths in the 2021 finals
series.
Tom Trbojevic’s brilliance has papered over the lack of threat out of dummyhalf in recent seasons and Manly have struggled to fill the void left by Api Koroisau’s departure to Penrith coupled with Fainu’s unavailability.


While Croker has done an admirable job in what is not his natural position, Toovey believes Manly lack the threat out of dummyhalf that makes sides like Melbourne and Penrith so hard to defend.

“I think Lachlan (Croker) did a better job than I think many including myself predicted,” Toovey told foxsports.com.au.

“I think he was steady there, but I think we know that if you are going to be one of those top echelon teams you need some threat around that area.

“I think that is where their Achilles heel is at the moment around the No.9.”
Manly’s struggles to produce a specialist hooker led to reports they were considering throwing controversial No.9 James Segeyaro an NRL lifeline.

The 31-year-old has signed with Blacktown for 2022, but he hasn’t played in the NRL since 2019 with the Broncos after being banned for 20 months for having a banned substance in his system.

Segeyaro has served his time and while Toovey is a fan of his play on the field he believes he might just come with too much baggage for Manly or any other club to sign him.

“As a player I think he would be a very valuable member of the team,” Toovey said.

“But I know he has had a lot of off-field dramas and I don’t know whether any organisation would be prepared to take him on.

“But if he can sort out those off-field dramas he is a very good footballer.

“But he has been at a few clubs now and no one has been able to that.”

At this stage Croker will be the starting hooker come Round 1, with Dylan Walker to spend time at dummyhalf off the bench, but only time will tell if that combination is enough to match the top teams in the NRL consistently.
Toovey explained that while Manly fail to create inroads around the ruck teams will be content to slide on and lock up their halves and Trbojevic.

“I think they need to see less focus being on their fullback and more focus around those other areas on the field, particularly the ruck,” Toovey said.

“There needs to be more threats in other areas on the field so that they don’t become predictable and they can compete with those top sides.

“Something around the ruck and that No.9 spot needs to be looked at.”
 
I'm not writing off Croker developing his running game. Not gonna be on the Manase level but good enough to keep the markers honest. He has got the basics locked down and now the next step is kicking and scooting. Wish Toovey was at training helping out, not throwing stones at hookers that play similarly to the way he gave his own career a second life.
 
“I think they need to see less focus being on their fullback and more focus around those other areas on the field, particularly the ruck,” Toovey said.

Other areas including Strike in the centres
 
I'm not writing off Croker developing his running game. Not gonna be on the Manase level but good enough to keep the markers honest. He has got the basics locked down and now the next step is kicking and scooting. Wish Toovey was at training helping out, not throwing stones at hookers that play similarly to the way he gave his own career a second life.
We saw Crokers running game when he filled in the halves
 
I think the coaches and Froggy would be aware that his dummy half game lacks a good running element so it wouldn't surprise if they have been working on it. Though I wouldn't expect miracles as it would be a work in progress.
 
Running from hooker is completely different. Croker isn't a beach sprinter so I'm not expecting 40m line breaks. All he has to do is recognise when to engage the markers to create extra space for whoever he is giving the ball to.
In the meantime we are stuck with a hooker who's developing his game, works his arse off and does 40+ tackles a game. He'll do me !!
 
Running from hooker is completely different. Croker isn't a beach sprinter so I'm not expecting 40m line breaks. All he has to do is recognise when to engage the markers to create extra space for whoever he is giving the ball to.
You are right with what you are saying .
But It would also be nice to have a dynamic hooker who poses a threat to the line because this puts the defence in two minds and makes our team less predictable
 
In the meantime we are stuck with a hooker who's developing his game, works his arse off and does 40+ tackles a game. He'll do me !!
That did not do us in last years finals and it is not enough for me either
We need to step up and so does our number nine .
The moral of the story
The Same level of play gives you the same results
 
That did not do us in last years finals and it is not enough for me either
We need to step up and so does our number nine .
The moral of the story
The Same level of play gives you the same results
Wouldn't you think theirs more of an upside to Crocker game this season going forward, I'm excited to see where his games at, right now.
 
You are right with what you are saying .
But It would also be nice to have a dynamic hooker who poses a threat to the line because this puts the defence in two minds and makes our team less predictable

While I do agree with that, you can only play the hand you're dealt. In a perfect world, we'd have never have lost Fainu, or Koroisau. But we don't have them and considering that he's not a natural dummy half, Froggy is doing a pretty good job given that in all reality he's really only filling in.

Although the question must be asked ... when does filling in become a permanent position??
 
the lack of a running style hooker could be helped along by having the halves engage the line more often and from closer to the ruck. the whole ruck area in attack is covered by jake and is pedestrian.

its hard to get champions in every position, with salary cap but if we are to speak engaging the llne,
DCE
FORAN
CROKER
in that order need to step up at engaging the line

if we are in the fair dinkum dept of DCE putting his body on the line in traffic to engage the line, croker had about the same numbers
sure DCE hits gaps once its opened up but the headless chook for which he is famous is all about missing the line

we need a dynamic hooker as a point of attack to help tom
 
the lack of a running style hooker could be helped along by having the halves engage the line more often and from closer to the ruck. the whole ruck area in attack is covered by jake and is pedestrian.

its hard to get champions in every position, with salary cap but if we are to speak engaging the llne,
DCE
FORAN
CROKER
in that order need to step up at engaging the line

if we are in the fair dinkum dept of DCE putting his body on the line in traffic to engage the line, croker had about the same numbers
sure DCE hits gaps once its opened up but the headless chook for which he is famous is all about missing the line

we need a dynamic hooker as a point of attack to help tom
And that's.. Manasie Fainu... we aren't looking for a Hooker, we all ready have one. And while Des and the Manly faithful so want this to happen, the harsh reality is, it's turned into a cruel waiting game for all, that goes on and on.
 
This is playing out like a broken record....
Yes it would be great to have Harry Grant or Cook....but we got Croker and for now - need to live with it.
There are explosive options off the bench being considered as we again....come back to the same old story.
As for Croker, long as he tackles well, provides accurate swift service to key men and can increase his own threat from the ruck...a little more (which the coaching staff have already addressed)....we have the team to compete against ANY other in 2022.
The ONLY aspect I would like to see improve in 2022 is more direct plays, which does start through the middle, as this is needed to break down those Top sides in the crucial games.
 

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