Pre-Game Knights V Manly [Round 14, 2025]

[BOZO]

Yes the buck stops and accountability starts with the coach!
By the way, how do rate these coaches this year? Maguire. Bennett. How about the super combination of Robinson and Holbrook. Ivan Cleary. Or Flanagan? Des Hasler?

How Do I rate Maguire so far this year with his all star team ?
I say he has failed to lift those stars up the ladder and has not improved the team from last season
Maguire is Underachieving

How Do I rate Bennett so far this year ?
He has lifted his team off the bottom of the ladder finishing second last last season minus their Inspirational captain Murray who has been out all season
Bennett is over achieving

Robinson had lost a heap of of the high calibre Key winning players of JWH , Manu , Keary , Walker , Smith , Sualiti . That is about half a team but his team has not fallen into a heap
Robinson is over achieving

How do I rate Des Hasler so far this year?
The Declining Des has the least recorded Titans wins in the history of the club
Des is Underachieving ?

Ivan Cleary ? The audacity to question his coaching credentials after making 5 straight Grand finals and winning four of them in a salary cap restricted era and compare him with Seibold.
A question back to you .What has Seibold done in the last five years ?

 

[Dingo]

In all honesty, we should get the whole 6pts Knights and Titans then the bye, the step down in opposition will be nice tho, but can't discount anybody in this close comp.

If we want to beat the Titans we need to have another look at who we’re picking as our halves while DCE isn’t there imo

 

[Waz13]

If we want to beat the Titans we need to have another look at who we’re picking as our halves while DCE isn’t there imo

I’ve got a feeling dce will be dropped from qld. We’ll see.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

How Do I rate Maguire so far this year with his all star team ?
I say he has failed to lift those stars up the ladder and has not improved the team from last season
Maguire is Underachieving

How Do I rate Bennett so far this year ?
He has lifted his team off the bottom of the ladder finishing second last last season minus their Inspirational captain Murray who has been out all season
Bennett is over achieving

Robinson had lost a heap of of the high calibre Key winning players of JWH , Manu , Keary , Walker , Smith , Sualiti . That is about half a team but his team has not fallen into a heap
Robinson is over achieving

How do I rate Des Hasler so far this year?
The Declining Des has the least recorded Titans wins in the history of the club
Des is Underachieving ?

Ivan Cleary ? The audacity to question his coaching credentials after making 5 straight Grand finals and winning four of them in a salary cap restricted era and compare him with Seibold.
A question back to you .What has Seibold done in the last five years ?

You just answered your own question!
You correctly rate some of those coaches highly.
Yet their teams have lost games this year. (in fact they have lost more times than Manly has)
Ergo there is more to a team's success than merely the coach.

 

[Thewestisbest]

How Do I rate Maguire so far this year with his all star team ?
I say he has failed to lift those stars up the ladder and has not improved the team from last season
Maguire is Underachieving

How Do I rate Bennett so far this year ?
He has lifted his team off the bottom of the ladder finishing second last last season minus their Inspirational captain Murray who has been out all season
Bennett is over achieving

Robinson had lost a heap of of the high calibre Key winning players of JWH , Manu , Keary , Walker , Smith , Sualiti . That is about half a team but his team has not fallen into a heap
Robinson is over achieving

How do I rate Des Hasler so far this year?
The Declining Des has the least recorded Titans wins in the history of the club
Des is Underachieving ?

Ivan Cleary ? The audacity to question his coaching credentials after making 5 straight Grand finals and winning four of them in a salary cap restricted era and compare him with Seibold.
A question back to you .What has Seibold done in the last five years ?

Very nice analysis there Bozo.

 

[Rafferty]

If we want to beat the Titans we need to have another look at who we’re picking as our halves while DCE isn’t there imo

I agree and even though Arthur has probably been prepared by the coaching staff for the role, we all saw what happened against Parra and strangely enough I see lots of correlations with the Tits.

I’ve thrown forward an alternative in another thread, yer it was a bit long winded, but to shorten it, if Turbos good to go, through Lehi in at 6 and give Brooks another crack at 7, also guarantees Talau will be in the side, think we’d be better off.

 

[Thewestisbest]

You just answered your own question!
You correctly rate some of those coaches highly.
Yet their teams have lost games this year. (in fact they have lost more times than Manly has)
Ergo there is more to a team's success than merely the coach.

Bozo has taken several factors into consideration such as roster quality. Previous years performance. Historical success of coach etc. The best way a coach can change the perception that they won't ever win a competition is by winning a competition. There is a reason why Des, Ricky, Trent, Wayne, Craig and Shane have such longevity in the game. They have all won at least one premiership. We know them on a first name basis, no surname required.

There is a really long list of coaches (you should check it out) who have never won a premiership. It's eye opening to see just how many coaches have been punted. For every Trent Robinson there is a Dean Pay, David Furner, Anthony Griffin, Trent Barrett, Matthew Elliot, Steve Georgialis, Graham Lowe, Peter Sharp, Jason Taylor, Jason Demetriou, Nathan Brown etc. on and on it goes. Their careers are much shorter because winning a competition is no small feat.

Big Tony Seibold has been afforded the rare opportunity of getting another crack at becoming a winner after failing BIG TIME up in Brisbane. He needs to win if he expects to be a long time career coach. I hope he does. I really do. I don't think he will. That's my opinion. That's all it is.

 

[Thewestisbest]

I agree and even though Arthur has probably been prepared by the coaching staff for the role, we all saw what happened against Parra and strangely enough I see lots of correlations with the Tits.

I’ve thrown forward an alternative in another thread, yer it was a bit long winded, but to shorten it, if Turbos good to go, through Lehi in at 6 and give Brooks another crack at 7, also guarantees Talau will be in the side, think we’d be better off.

Something definitely needs to change. We were awful against the Eels.

 

[Eagle 1]

Titans will be a tougher challenge I think. They gave Melb a good run on the weekend.

They'll be missing Tino and Brimson by the looks of it. Without Tino they'll struggle big time in the forward exchanges.

 

[Eagle 1]

If we want to beat the Titans we need to have another look at who we’re picking as our halves while DCE isn’t there imo

Brooks will see us through this game if DCE gets the nod for SOO 2.

 

[Brookie1973]

I’ve got a feeling dce will be dropped from qld. We’ll see.

That was the tip one of the journos had on NRL 360 too. Brett read in think. Sounded like they had already decided on Deardon at 7, which I think makes sense for them - will no doubt take the line on more which could spark their attack down the middle. They went nowhere going wide in game 1.

 

[BOZO]

Ergo there is more to a team's success than merely the coach.

No team can win a comp with a mere coach either
A Mere coach can only take a team so far
You need a good coach at the top of his game to achieve this

 

[BOZO]

Very nice analysis there Bozo.

Very nice analysis to the people like your good self that understand it feathered friend 🙂

 

[Seagles68]

They'll be missing Tino and Brimson by the looks of it. Without Tino they'll struggle big time in the forward exchanges.

Femor will also be a big out for them.

 

[The Who]

They'll be missing Tino and Brimson by the looks of it. Without Tino they'll struggle big time in the forward exchanges.

I didn't think Brimson was eligible for SOO because he has declared England as his national choice. Perhaps you are suggesting Brimson will be out because of his concussion? He'll be over his 11-day protocols by our match though.
The 'Tits could be missing Mo and Femor to SOO.

 

[Eagle 1]

I didn't think Brimson was eligible for SOO because he has declared England as his national choice. Perhaps you are suggesting Brimson will be out because of his concussion? He'll be over his 11-day protocols by our match though.
The 'Tits could be missing Mo and Femor to SOO.

My mistake, thought Brimson was out with an injury.

 

[Seagles68]

My mistake, thought Brimson was out with an injury.

If he plays 6, Brookes will have his hands full.

 

[BOZO]

It can not get any better than this for us feathered freinds
They have 7 regular first graders out
They are out of form and out of troops
They are playing on their home ground where they have lost their last 4 games there
They have the worst attack in the comp averaging just 13 points a game
Show No Mercey ,Great time to improve our for and against with a Big Win and A Big Score

Down and Out Knights Casualty List
Jsaf
Elliot
Best
Leo
Gamble
Marzhew
Hethington

 

[Brookie1973]

No team can win a comp with a mere coach either
A Mere coach can only take a team so far
You need a good coach at the top of his game to achieve this

Is a mere coach someone who coaches meerkats?

 

[Waz13]

It can not get any better than this for us feathered freinds
They have 7 regular first graders out
They are out of form and out of troops
They are playing on their home ground where they have lost their last 4 games there
They have the worst attack in the comp averaging just 13 points a game
Show No Mercey ,Great time to improve our for and against with a Big Win and A Big Score

Down and Out Knights Casualty List
Jsaf
Elliot
Best
Leo
Gamble
Marzhew
Hethington

We should lap them, but I’ve been burnt too much by this team. Tomorrow worries me. They are well overdue for a home win in fact they have won once there all year in rnd 2!