Kicking game

[Waz13]

I think that was Des' game plan to nullify hit ups from Fifita - isolate the opposite winger & tackle him in that corner.

Fifita was on the other side of the field & barely got any clean ball on their kick returns.

Exactly! Didn’t matter Tgat Pearson caught everything. It was clear he was slow and we pinned them time and again in that corner. This is a team game not pick on the individual. Dce was great in D on Fafita when needed. As a team we stuck to a plan and belted Tge Titans. Most of our footy was played on the opposite side of the field to dce hence Foz high involvement. Plus our left side (like latrine and Souths) is our strong side in attack (right to left pass). Stronger by a lot now Toms back. Most our sweeping raids will go down that side I’d imagine.

 

[Woodsie]

Just a note ... the kicking metres stat is the most useless usage of numbers ever ... seriously WTF do they tell you ???

Test .. Q (1) ..... IF kicker team A kicks for 231m ... and the kicker team B kicks for 1247m ... what have you learnt from this ?

 

[frank stokes]

Just a note ... the kicking metres stat is the most useless usage of numbers ever ... seriously WTF do they tell you ???

Test .. Q (1) ..... IF kicker team A kicks for 231m ... and the kicker team B kicks for 1247m ... what have you learnt from this ?

A: Team A were starting a lot of sets from their own end of the field.

 

[Woodsie]

A: Team A were starting a lot of sets from their own end of the field.

Do you mean Team A were finishing a lot of sets at the other teams end of the field ?

 

[frank stokes]

Do you mean Team A were finishing a lot of sets at the other teams end of the field ?

They may have been (or their clearing kicks were poor)... scoreline and other stats will tell the fuller story...

...but with 1248m from the team B half they sure as sh*t were not starting them there...

 

[globaleagle]

Just a note ... the kicking metres stat is the most useless usage of numbers ever ... seriously WTF do they tell you ???

Test .. Q (1) ..... IF kicker team A kicks for 231m ... and the kicker team B kicks for 1247m ... what have you learnt from this ?

Team B were kicking on the moon?

 

[Woodsie]

They may have been (or their clearing kicks were poor)... scoreline and other stats will tell the fuller story...

...but with 1248m from the team B half they sure as sh*t were not starting them there...

The point is that if the team is winning the field position battle, and one bloke is kicking from within the oppositions 20m every time ... and the other bloke is forced to kick from his own 30/40m line consistently ... their stats are going to be very different ... and tell us exactly 1/4 of sweet fuk nothing of their relative kicking prowess ...

So saying bill bloggs has kicked for 24356m is meaningless drivel ...

 

[Woodsie]

Team B were kicking on the moon?

Thanks, but I don't think so ... but stick around ... I am sure you will get a chance to excel when we get to finger painting later ...

 

[frank stokes]

The point is that if the team is winning the field position battle, and one bloke is kicking from within the oppositions 20m every time ... and the other bloke is forced to kick from his own 30/40m line consistently ... their stats are going to be very different ... and tell us exactly 1/4 of sweet fuk nothing of their relative kicking prowess ...
So saying bill bloggs has kicked for 24356m is meaningless drivel ...

I get your point but high kicking metres shows that the clearing kicks were good... what happened after that has SFA to do with the kicker...

i get that a kicker can have low kicking metres because they were in good field position all game but high kicking metres shows the kicker was doing his bit to alleviate pressure as you cannot have high kicking metres without good clearances....

 

[globaleagle]

Thanks, but I don't think so ... but stick around ... I am sure you will get a chance to excel when we get to finger painting later ...

why would I want to paint my finger?

you crazy

 

[frank stokes]

The point is that if the team is winning the field position battle, and one bloke is kicking from within the oppositions 20m every time ... and the other bloke is forced to kick from his own 30/40m line consistently ... their stats are going to be very different ... and tell us exactly 1/4 of sweet fuk nothing of their relative kicking prowess ...

So saying bill bloggs has kicked for 24356m is meaningless drivel ...

The other point I would make is that while I agree that this is not a good measure for comparing the performance of two halves in a single game, I don't think the same can be said over a career as the parameters are different...

Over a career you will have had to do a fairer share of attacking and defensive kicking - plus there is long-range attacking kicks now (40/20 & 20/40) so I do think that a higher kicking metres shows that one half is better at producing long kicks than the other...

 

[Woodsie]

The other point I would make is that while I agree that this is not a good measure for comparing the performance of two halves in a single game, I don't think the same can be said over a career as the parameters are different...

Over a career you will have had to do a fairer share of attacking and defensive kicking - plus there is long-range attacking kicks now (40/20 & 20/40) so I do think that a higher kicking metres shows that one half is better at producing long kicks than the other...

Is there more than one kicker in player A's team ... has he spend his career sharing the kicking duties with a fellow dominant half and a hooker that often kicks from dummy half like ScamSmith ? ... the variables are too great without needing 1000's of pages of explanatory notes ..

Being able, or forced to kick a footy for 50m down field is hardly a skill that demands homage ... the only worthwhile kick numbers would be 40/20's, result in tries, forced drop outs ...

The tactical success of kicks, such as DCE's targeting the left side last week cannot be measured in numbers ... distance is meaningless ..

 

[frank stokes]

Is there more than one kicker in player A's team ... has he spend his career sharing the kicking duties with a fellow dominant half and a hooker that often kicks from dummy half like ScamSmith ? ... the variables are too great without needing 1000's of pages of explanatory notes ..

Being able, or forced to kick a footy for 50m down field is hardly a skill that demands homage ... the only worthwhile kick numbers would be 40/20's, result in tries, forced drop outs ...

The tactical success of kicks, such as DCE's targeting the left side last week cannot be measured in numbers ... distance is meaningless ..

All valid points...

On tackle 5 teams tend to put the ball in the hand of the kicker that can clear it best... yes, some teams may have more than one and that will affect the stats of each kicker...

But a kicker with high numbers indicates that he is the go-to man for his team (because he does it best) and 'kicking a ball 50m' is a highly in-demand skill-set (just ask the dogs atm) because otherwise the pressure builds until the dam breaks... plus it is very handy if you can launch it 70m for a flying winger to chase...

I do take your point that it is not THE most important stat a bloke can have though...

 

[jbb/james]

Is there more than one kicker in player A's team ... has he spend his career sharing the kicking duties with a fellow dominant half and a hooker that often kicks from dummy half like ScamSmith ? ... the variables are too great without needing 1000's of pages of explanatory notes ..

Being able, or forced to kick a footy for 50m down field is hardly a skill that demands homage ... the only worthwhile kick numbers would be 40/20's, result in tries, forced drop outs ...

The tactical success of kicks, such as DCE's targeting the left side last week cannot be measured in numbers ... distance is meaningless ..

Kick stats
Players that get kicked in the arse at half time by the coach for being a pork chop is a stat often overlooked

And then the souffs player that kicked jason taylor in the head when he was coach is an impressive stat. It was a pretty small head

All stats are pretty bogus, but the kick metres is up there on the podium of non events.

Recently there were allegations that players playing supercoach were taking easy stats and props were fighting over taking kick off returns because they were bigger stats


Stats that make the big difference but account for one tick on the scoresheet below

Who plays supercoach and picked themselves or the man outside them
Relied upon to take the hard runs
Reading the game and stepping up to kick
Anticipating a kick and dropping back to stop a try
Turn and chase and potentially stop tries, or make goal kicks wider
Kick chase man

Stats are used to justify stuff

 

[Woodsie]

All valid points...

On tackle 5 teams tend to put the ball in the hand of the kicker that can clear it best... yes, some teams may have more than one and that will affect the stats of each kicker...

But a kicker with high numbers indicates that he is the go-to man for his team (because he does it best) and 'kicking a ball 50m' is a highly in-demand skill-set (just ask the dogs atm) because otherwise the pressure builds until the dam breaks... plus it is very handy if you can launch it 70m for a flying winger to chase...

I do take your point that it is not THE most important stat a bloke can have though...

Yes, many things will and do influence kicking metres ... but we will disagree on them having any significance ... for mine, It is not a stat ... it is just the tally of numbers without meaning or value to the human race and any dependent species .. they are like dachshund's, tofu and Parra trophy cabinets ... I don't know why we have them ... we don't need them ...

 

[frank stokes]

Yes, many things will and do influence kicking metres ... but we will disagree on them having any significance ... for mine, It is not a stat ... it is just the tally of numbers without meaning or value to the human race and any dependent species .. they are like dachshund's, tofu and Parra trophy cabinets ... I don't know why we have them ... we don't need them ...

love your form @Woodsie...

god I hate dachshund's... and tofu... and bloody Parra actually...

 

[madmax]

Foran kicked well but tom ran us to victory . Is this sustainable when you have super boot sitting back behind the line. We had a big wind in the second half, looked gassed, it was wet. It was made for cherry . That is his perfect conditions, but nope

Anyway as some mentioned in the game thread it appears the less he touches the ball , the better we go.

Yawn zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz