[Resurrected] Keith Titmuss death: Family turns to Australian Brain Bank
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Wasn't sure where to post this but anyway
I think the simple solution to reduce head knocks would be to reward the classic leg tackles again. So many of the concussions are caused by players going high resulting in shoulder to jaw or head clashes. We see Jake make perfect tackles for years but is forced to let go immediately or we concede a penalty, meanwhile if you tackle up high & wrestle the ref allows you to hold them down.
The family of Manly Sea Eagles rugby league player Keith Titmuss has accused Teal MP Sophie Scamps of politicising their son’s death by linking it to climate change.
A Sydney teal MP has been accused of politicising the tragic death of a Manly Sea Eagles rugby league player by suggesting climate change was responsible for his death.
Dr Sophie Scamps, the independent member for Mackellar on Sydney’s northern beaches, has suggested “lethal humidity” could have been behind the death of Keith Titmuss, 20, after a Sea Eagles training session in November 2020.
It prompted Titmuss’s mother to say her son was being used to “gain political points” by Dr Scamps.
Speaking at a Doctors for the Environment Australia event in February, Dr Scamps predicted the so-called “lethal humidity” would become widespread due to climate change.
Dr Scamps made the remarks in relation to the “the death of the young man, the rugby league player” in an apparent reference to Titmuss, who died after a seizure at the club’s then training base in Narrabeen.
Deputy State Coroner Derek Lee found that Manly’s training session in the off-season heat was “more likely than not inappropriate” and identified a number of factors that contributed to Titmuss’s heat stroke, including his high body-mass index and a lack of aerobic capacity compared to teammates.
Lee made no reference to “lethal humidity” in his findings.
Dr Scamps made the remark – an apparent reference to Titmuss – when answering a question about the link between climate change and health.
“One of the things that really struck me – we’ve got this thing called lethal humidity now,” she said.
“With every rise of one degree in temperature you have seven degrees increased per cent in humidity, so the death of that young man – and I’m not saying – the death of the young man the rugby league player when it was 33 degrees a very humid day, died from heat stress – you know, after a training session.
“That type of lethal humidity is something that the medical fraternity is getting more and more concerned about.
“Apparently, the human body can survive up to 54 degrees Celsius – it’s pretty hot. But, with high-level humidity, that level comes down to kind of 33, even 31 degrees, so it’s something to consider.”
However, in his coroner’s report, Lee had the maximum temperature listed at less than 25 degrees.
“The temperature (measured at Terrey Hills) was 21.3°C at 9:00am and 21.6°C at 3:00pm, with a maximum temperature of 24.9°C. The relative humidity was at 92% at 9:00am, decreasing to 74% at 3:00pm,” the coroner’s report stated.
Titmuss’s mother, Lafo, was deeply upset at Dr Scamps’ comments.
“I’m disappointed that (Dr Scamps) is using my son’s name to try and gain political points when all she needed to do was read Derek Lee’s findings, which mention nothing about climate change,” Lafo said.
Titmuss had undertaken a two-hour training session at the Sea Eagles’ indoor gym, where he lost consciousness and was worked on by four paramedics before being taken to hospital, where he died.
A coronial inquest – which concluded in May last year – found Mr Titmuss died of “exertional heat stroke.”
“Keith’s death was a tragedy that will forever keep our thoughts focused on his family and friends – and not about politics,” Manly chief executive Tony Mestrov said on Tuesday.
“As a club, we have been made aware of political remarks, but the facts from the recent Deputy State Coroner’s report never stipulated that Keith’s death was anything to do with climate change or lethal humidity.
“To suggest otherwise is insensitive and incorrect.”
Manly players were ushered out of the club’s gymnasium by coaching staff before ambulance officers arrived.
A spokeswoman for Dr Scamps on Tuesday again referenced “lethal humidity” when questioned about her comments on Titmuss.
“Sophie and the entire Northern Beaches community are desperately sad for the Titmuss family after the terrible tragedy of Keith’s death, which the Coroner’s Court found was caused by exertional heat stroke,” a spokeswoman said.
“As a doctor and former elite athlete, Sophie takes the threat of lethal humidity extremely seriously. As parents, we do not want our kids to have to train and compete in conditions that put their health at risk. Sophie will continue to push for action to ensure a safe working environment for all athletes, young and old.
“Separately, there is a rise of elite athletes around the world speaking up about the dangers that higher temperatures pose to athletes. The emergence of organisations like Sport4Climate, The Green Sports Alliance and the United Nation’s Sports for Climate Action demonstrate the seriousness of the threat.”
Dr Scamps declined to elaborate on her statement when approached at a pre-poll election booth on Tuesday.
Hate politics and not in her electorate but as a Manly fan I could do with out her in parliament.
A Sydney teal MP has been accused of politicising the tragic death of a Manly Sea Eagles rugby league player by suggesting climate change was responsible for his death.
Dr Sophie Scamps, the independent member for Mackellar on Sydney’s northern beaches, has suggested “lethal humidity” could have been behind the death of Keith Titmuss, 20, after a Sea Eagles training session in November 2020.
It prompted Titmuss’s mother to say her son was being used to “gain political points” by Dr Scamps.
Speaking at a Doctors for the Environment Australia event in February, Dr Scamps predicted the so-called “lethal humidity” would become widespread due to climate change.
Dr Scamps made the remarks in relation to the “the death of the young man, the rugby league player” in an apparent reference to Titmuss, who died after a seizure at the club’s then training base in Narrabeen.
Deputy State Coroner Derek Lee found that Manly’s training session in the off-season heat was “more likely than not inappropriate” and identified a number of factors that contributed to Titmuss’s heat stroke, including his high body-mass index and a lack of aerobic capacity compared to teammates.
Lee made no reference to “lethal humidity” in his findings.
Dr Scamps made the remark – an apparent reference to Titmuss – when answering a question about the link between climate change and health.
“One of the things that really struck me – we’ve got this thing called lethal humidity now,” she said.
“With every rise of one degree in temperature you have seven degrees increased per cent in humidity, so the death of that young man – and I’m not saying – the death of the young man the rugby league player when it was 33 degrees a very humid day, died from heat stress – you know, after a training session.
“That type of lethal humidity is something that the medical fraternity is getting more and more concerned about.
“Apparently, the human body can survive up to 54 degrees Celsius – it’s pretty hot. But, with high-level humidity, that level comes down to kind of 33, even 31 degrees, so it’s something to consider.”
However, in his coroner’s report, Lee had the maximum temperature listed at less than 25 degrees.
“The temperature (measured at Terrey Hills) was 21.3°C at 9:00am and 21.6°C at 3:00pm, with a maximum temperature of 24.9°C. The relative humidity was at 92% at 9:00am, decreasing to 74% at 3:00pm,” the coroner’s report stated.
Titmuss’s mother, Lafo, was deeply upset at Dr Scamps’ comments.
“I’m disappointed that (Dr Scamps) is using my son’s name to try and gain political points when all she needed to do was read Derek Lee’s findings, which mention nothing about climate change,” Lafo said.
Titmuss had undertaken a two-hour training session at the Sea Eagles’ indoor gym, where he lost consciousness and was worked on by four paramedics before being taken to hospital, where he died.
A coronial inquest – which concluded in May last year – found Mr Titmuss died of “exertional heat stroke.”
“Keith’s death was a tragedy that will forever keep our thoughts focused on his family and friends – and not about politics,” Manly chief executive Tony Mestrov said on Tuesday.
“As a club, we have been made aware of political remarks, but the facts from the recent Deputy State Coroner’s report never stipulated that Keith’s death was anything to do with climate change or lethal humidity.
“To suggest otherwise is insensitive and incorrect.”
Manly players were ushered out of the club’s gymnasium by coaching staff before ambulance officers arrived.
A spokeswoman for Dr Scamps on Tuesday again referenced “lethal humidity” when questioned about her comments on Titmuss.
“Sophie and the entire Northern Beaches community are desperately sad for the Titmuss family after the terrible tragedy of Keith’s death, which the Coroner’s Court found was caused by exertional heat stroke,” a spokeswoman said.
“As a doctor and former elite athlete, Sophie takes the threat of lethal humidity extremely seriously. As parents, we do not want our kids to have to train and compete in conditions that put their health at risk. Sophie will continue to push for action to ensure a safe working environment for all athletes, young and old.
“Separately, there is a rise of elite athletes around the world speaking up about the dangers that higher temperatures pose to athletes. The emergence of organisations like Sport4Climate, The Green Sports Alliance and the United Nation’s Sports for Climate Action demonstrate the seriousness of the threat.”
Dr Scamps declined to elaborate on her statement when approached at a pre-poll election booth on Tuesday.
Hate politics and not in her electorate but as a Manly fan I could do with out her in parliament.
Not a fan of Scamps, but she isn't wrong. Those dangerously hot conditions increasing in frequency will increase the odds of heatstroke. That's not political, that's scientific fact, and is already significantly affecting the productivity of South East Asian and Central Africa.
Conflating it with Titmuss is just disrespectful though.
Conflating it with Titmuss is just disrespectful though.
That's the point. She can and should make her points but leave a footballer who died in tragic circumstances out of her mouth.
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Lost me at Teal, that's what you're going to get with them.
And yet people, and on the northern beaches no less, vote for them. Beggars belief.
Dr scamps what a disgrace …trying to use a young man’s tragic death for political and personal gain …what a grub. She’s not much of a doctor either…the human body can survive in conditions over 54 degrees Celsius just go ask any racing car driver who has had their cool suit fail .
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Makes them feel all tingly and virtuous inside, don’t you know.
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Then perhaps ms scamps should hop over to china and run for office there, given they are opening 2 new coal fired power stations a week and combined with India produce Australia’s total annual level of carbon emissions in 11 days. I mean, if she really wants to stop “climate change” and not just hop on the political elite gravy train here in oz.
Great, now we've got posters here using Keith's tragic demise to make their own political points about climate change. Hypocrisy rules
Some people here but not everyone.
Yep, deplorable behaviour and so disrespectful. Deserves to be booed and booted out.
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