Jack Bird

[ManlyTragic]

You referring to

A. Greg
B. Jack
C. Dickie
D. Non of the above.

….. as a process of elimination… it cannot be “c” he is dead ! More chance of Lazarus playing!

Just sayin’

 

[Rafferty]

I’m all for offloading Brown, should never of been given anything other than a year by year proposition to begin with, questionable signing in any case.

If the reason is to accomodate Moale in 26 and add Bird for edge depth, ok, but only if it’s about that transition.

Its so Manly to sign these old guys, I don’t care if Seibs has successfully recycled a couple, it’s the wrong approach, no need to say where’s the upside, how about unearthing a couple of youngsters.

Your not going to win anything recycling from the depths, our recent recruitment has been embarrassing , (ex TKO, Fog, Kobe and Moale) so it improving, Bird though, come on that’s going backwards unless its as mention earlier.

Why can’t we unearth some young talent, not 18, 19 year old that have never played grade, I’m thinking more like 22, 23 year olds on the verge of breaking into grade, that offer upside and a future, surely there out there. Players like Lecka, Piakura, Simi, Nicholson, Mooney, before they become what they are today, so that when they do we get the upside.

Look at some of the other clubs offering youngsters a go, Weekes, raiders win, Ilongi Parra win, look at Karapani he’ll be a To’o MK 2 perhaps better, if we have to look for or consider cast offs, we should be looking at players like Jesse Arthur’s, Karapani owns his spot now, Arthur will want a starting role, sign Arthur’s to play in our 17 and relegate Saab to depth or let Garrick go and replace him with Arthur, providing its a win on the cap, it has to be about improving the side, the culture, our chances of winning, not recycling the Birds, the Wood’s, Brown’s, Lodges of the game, other clubs already tried, it’s not a recipe for success, why do we think we can build that way, it’s never going to end well.

And if like I just read, Bird is on anywhere near 400 that is insane and the biggest no ever, Melbourne have it right offering players like Tui the minimum 140, Bird should thank his lucky stars to get a start. We’d be better signing Tui $175 and converting Bully into an edge and giving Brown away. Far out we seem to have no idea.

 

[double hoops]

You don’t think getting Viliame back is a good thing. Was playing well with us until his manager shopped him. Wasn’t given much opportunity at the Dragons but could be a plus. I’d have him over Waddell everyday!!

If he's not top 30 I'm fine with Viliame returning home.

If I remember correctly neither Viliame or the smaller prop Tui someone wanted to leave Manly and go to the dragons.

GIve a local kid a chance to take a step up. Absolutely

But he's away off being top 30 ATM for mine.

I have a much highert opinion of the duck then plenty on here.

 

[manly al]

Can only assume that the Tigers would be subsidizing Bird 's contract by at least half or approaching and as a 200 K or thereabouts utility then , not that bad a trade ,
Considering Brown would have been a bit of a doubtful proposition fitness wise coming into next season and a bit on the mystery side why the Tigers think that the arrangement would be in their best interests
Open speculation on just what Bird may be able to provide Manly , maybe or hopefully he still has something to offer and somehow can manage a relatively injury free run but not the worst type of trade , most things taken into account

 

[eaglebuzz]

Bird won’t be added to the top 30
Brown is removed from it.

Wishful thinking. It would be a straight swap imo.

 

[manly al]

Dean Matterson has moved on as well , also include Chee Kam , so some logic there bringing in Bird
Just that fitness cloud but probably no different again to the Brown scenario if he was to continue at Manly

 

[LeonardCohen]

I would be shattered if it didn’t involve a player swap with Brown but it does. It’s been years since Brown has made a dent in the line or a post contact metre. He runs like a kamikazi but gets smashed.

Although Bird is pretty putrid, he is younger and more athletic than Brown and offers more as a depth signing.

It’s a slight upgrade and he’s not coming as a big money starter so who cares.

 

[TheSoaringEagle2023]

But this is the problem. Half of our 1st choice 17 will end up in rehab like this year because we get injured easily by being dominated by stronger, fitter, faster teams and then these low coin cast offs become our top 17 run on players. It doesn't work. Unless the club is prepared to build a team like Des did in 2005-2011 then we are consigned to just making up the numbers and never figuring in big finals matches.

Its so Seibs can keep using the injury excuse when the losses pile up

 

[Not Paul Kent]

Why not someone 10yrs younger then?!

Because the other club also has to agree to the swap, we aren’t playing a great hand here with BFB swap.

 

[Under the Sticks]

Another crock. Fabulous.

A Tigers crock at that!

 

[StuBoot]

I’m all for offloading Brown, should never of been given anything other than a year by year proposition to begin with, questionable signing in any case.

If the reason is to accomodate Moale in 26 and add Bird for edge depth, ok, but only if it’s about that transition.

Its so Manly to sign these old guys, I don’t care if Seibs has successfully recycled a couple, it’s the wrong approach, no need to say where’s the upside, how about unearthing a couple of youngsters.

Your not going to win anything recycling from the depths, our recent recruitment has been embarrassing , (ex TKO, Fog, Kobe and Moale) so it improving, Bird though, come on that’s going backwards unless its as mention earlier.

Why can’t we unearth some young talent, not 18, 19 year old that have never played grade, I’m thinking more like 22, 23 year olds on the verge of breaking into grade, that offer upside and a future, surely there out there. Players like Lecka, Piakura, Simi, Nicholson, Mooney, before they become what they are today, so that when they do we get the upside.

Look at some of the other clubs offering youngsters a go, Weekes, raiders win, Ilongi Parra win, look at Karapani he’ll be a To’o MK 2 perhaps better, if we have to look for or consider cast offs, we should be looking at players like Jesse Arthur’s, Karapani owns his spot now, Arthur will want a starting role, sign Arthur’s to play in our 17 and relegate Saab to depth or let Garrick go and replace him with Arthur, providing its a win on the cap, it has to be about improving the side, the culture, our chances of winning, not recycling the Birds, the Wood’s, Brown’s, Lodges of the game, other clubs already tried, it’s not a recipe for success, why do we think we can build that way, it’s never going to end well.

And if like I just read, Bird is on anywhere near 400 that is insane and the biggest no ever, Melbourne have it right offering players like Tui the minimum 140, Bird should thank his lucky stars to get a start. We’d be better signing Tui $175 and converting Bully into an edge and giving Brown away. Far out we seem to have no idea.

Yet you mention offloading Garrick, how does that improve the side, the culture etc?

 

[Stuey Davis’s Socks]

BFB returning to where it all began for him at the Tigers (NYC 2012 & 2013, with
his NRL debut there late in 2013). Good luck Browny!

 

[Rafferty]

Yet you mention offloading Garrick, how does that improve the side, the culture etc?

More just an example, if you where being fair, I suggested it was Saab who was relegated, happy to keep Garrick, only mentioned Gaz if it was in a situation where we gained cap improvement and added a stronger player as a replacement. Just treating it like a business and primarily working on the principles of seeking any advantages, (as opposed to the type of signings I made mention of that our club seems to continually believe in, ie Bird and the others I mentioned, anyway there’s probably more to that signing and if it’s about offloading Brown to balance our FR stocks in the anticipation we can add Moale next year, then I’m good with it, Bird can add depth as an edge, but gee it’s not great and anyone who thinks he gives us cover in the centres, has lost the plot, in fairness he has played there and has done the job (in the past) but I feel confident saying his not going to improve us, I prefer the thought process and rumours behind Lucas as a signing.

Anyhow, I was just throwing ideas around about building the strongest footy side and the word culture, doesn’t just relate to a clean reputation and a nice guy, I should of stated it clearer and that’s the problem with forums and any form of social media, communicating on an equal level is near impossible, anyway it was more in reference to building a winning culture, Arthurs on field aggression and what he brings in terms of his footy, would add something to most sides, that’s more where I was coming from, than anything negative about Gaz.

I’m not against Garrick or suggesting we move him on, his work ethic and the culture he brings is fine, I probably just wish he had of stayed on the wing and we paid him appropriately, the only issue now and possibly moving forward, will be dollars and his role, maybe his on overs for his current role and the where and how he fits into the side and finds his best footy while being content with his role in the side, (I’m unsold on Gaz as a centre) like others have said if he gets a better deal elsewhere that’s fine, I hope we don’t pay overs again and make silly promises, if it doesn’t work out, so be it, that’s footy, find an upgrade, build up and get on with it, as I mentioned I’d love to find some young guys and if where talking wingers, I’m talking Karapani, but dream on his a GF winner now and going nowhere, which is why I made reference to Arthurs as an example in my previous post (he won’t be happy without a starting role) and Garrick just got thrown into the story, maybe the rumours around his future played into it, if he gets offered FB money and the opportunity to play FB or centre at the Bears, Parra or where ever then so be it, my thinking was more about the way our club goes about its business, I’d like us to stop signing old guys who are at the end of the road with little to no upside, I made reference to some young players and the clubs that have gone the opposite way to us, signing youth and how they where the beneficiaries, I think you could safely say the decision making and culture within our player recruitment and retention team needs improving, anyway maybe that explains it or not!