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Is manly in the box seat?

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Cameron, Apr 29, 2012.

  1. Cameron

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    So at the moment Canterbury have all the money and they get it through having a rich Leagues club that thrives off poker machine profits.

    Manly on the other hand are toiling along without any significant leagues club grant and under David Perry continue to improve in a slow and steady manner.

    So how does that put Manly in the Box seat?

    Look what's gone down in Canberra today we have a minority government who will do whatever it takes to stay in power.

    What has that got to do with footy? Well there's an Independent
    MP Andrew Wilkie who is dead keen to destroy pokies and wants the government to bring in legislation that will slash the pokie profits and bring many leagues clubs to their knees. If Slipper or Thomson go watch labor to swoon Wilkie to get his vote.

    If it plays out that way the rich bulldogs won't be rich much longer. While Sydney clubs like manly and souths who don't rely on leagues club grants will be unscathed.
     
  2. MrInvisible

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    Good in theory, but the club gets a set amount of money each year from the Leagues Club, not a bottomless pit.

    In order for that amount of money to drop, the Leagues Club would practically have to be in the hands of administrators.

    The Bulldogs get a large amount of money from cross promotional advertising during games, more than any other club.

    One home game it was Ministry of Sound (with CD giveaways and halftime entertainment one of their artists), another was the Star Wars DVD Box Set release, another Avatar on Bluray.

    Hate him all you want but Greenburg is an excellent businessman when it comes to knowing how to generate money for our club.
     
  3. Phantar

    Phantar Well-Known Member

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    Like I'm sure a lot of other people, I've been of the same view as you Cam. However Mr I has a point too. Even if the pokie reforms go ahead, their LC is strongly placed because it probably doesn't have the level of competition, effectively within walking distance, that Manly Leagues does.
     
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    • mickqld

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      Pokie reforms will never happen. Coles and Woolworths dominate the hotel gaming industry and they will never allow it. Who do you think runs this country...... Canberra????? No way Coles and Woolworths now control retail,liquor,gaming,fuel. They have this country by the balls.
       
    • Cameron

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      I think you would find that any club run by a responsible manager would cut of a grant to a football team well before it was in the hands of an administrator. [hr]
      Mate we have a government who are prepared to do what ever it takes to cling to power if it will keep them in government labor will do it.
       
    • mickqld

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      Cam I work in the technical side of the pokie industry it will take years to get a uniform nation wide precomittment system running and even if they do, to implement it will also take years. It will send hundreds of small clubs to the wall and the spike in umemployment will be unpalatable to any Govt. I actually applaud and agree that reforms are needed to curb gambling but the system Wilkie is campaigning for wont work. All they need to do is eliminiate the jackpot systems in clubs and pubs,limit the max bet to $1, slow the reel spin rates and limit the amount of machines available in pubs and clubs. That will do way more than mandatory pre-committment.
       
    • Cameron

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      Mick just to point out I'm against what Wilkie wants it will another step closer to a nanny state. But if some how he did I think it would hurt the dogs.
       
    • EagleFlys

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      Hey Mick,

      Very sensible. I lost a friend to pokies. He lost his family, house and self worth.

      you are the first pundit who actually says slow the spin rates and put max bet to 1$. Totally agree.

      I would also ban those wretched "free spin" mechanics. These seem to make punters pour money waiting for one to recoup losses.
       
    • lsz

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      Cam how is it a nanny state? Do you think the government does not have a responsibility to help people who can not help themselves?

      It is helping those who need it. It might disadvantage a few but would help many - sure there are the potential employment consequences but the benefits to the families...
       
    • manlyfan76

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      Exactly right, limit bets and slow the spin rate, apparently we have the fastest spin rate in the world.
       
    • The Who

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    • Cameron

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      but why restrict the people who can lsz?
      At some stage the responsabilty has to fall back on the individual matie

      a person who is obese because they overeat junk food and cant help themselves do we ban junk food ?
       
    • Earnie the Eagle

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      Well he didn't do to well on the sale of blue tshirts for the game on Friday night, did he?

      Its easy to generate money when your club has the most poker machines of ANY club in NSW and that's where the money came from for the centre of excellence or whatever its called.

      Your club can have all the money in the world but it didn't get you Foran or a win on Friday night, and **** your kennel Foran superthread couldn't ever get 100 posts and we got over a 1000.

      Greenturd gives out trinkets on game days, geez that must make you happy, when all our club does for its fans is give us two premierships in 4 years.

      The dogs, it seems wont be going after anymore of our players, so its been a wonderful weekend seeing the dogs get knocked down a peg or two.
       
    • lsz

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      Cam if i ad my way their would be more regulation on fast food than there is currently

      Agree there is a measure of personel responsibility how ever the damage that the pokies do compared to some inconvenience for others...well I just think it is worth it

      As for the lost $ etc it just shows how much money is pumped into these things
       
    • ManlyBacker

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      I like a punt - I have my whole life. So I am not a hard line anti-gambling person at all.

      But without a doubt two things stick out about clubs and pokie revenue:
      1. Their return percentage of profits to the community is an absolute joke (less than 1.5%).
      2. Despite all the stats put out by the industry they completely rely on problem gamblers for the majority of their profits. These people are feted with platinum level benefits and the clubs operate no better than casinos.

      Clubs need to grasp the concept that they should generate revenue from activities other than pokies. Yes, there is a factor of individual responsibility involved but I know of two suicides that devastated friend's families. Overseas studies have shown that it can be curbed almost immediately by reducing the top prizes.

      The claim from all of them is that they are there to support their members. This just isn't true. IMO it is disgraceful that a 'community' organisation should survive purely on the misery of some of its members.
       
    • Stevo

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      Love your avatar Earnie!!
       
    • Hamster Huey

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      So the $5-$6mil per year, wouldn't be missed?
       

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