Defence

[Tragic Eagle]

We need to break the bad habit of losing games we are expected to win easily.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

We need to break the bad habit of losing games we are expected to win easily.

Which is mostly a mental thing.

But I’d agree , had we won the games we were expected to win ( last year ) but lost , we’d have finished 3rd or 4th.

It means THAT much

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Which is mostly a mental thing.

But I’d agree , had we won the games we were expected to win ( last year ) but lost , we’d have finished 3rd or 4th.

It means THAT much

Potentially it makes it a positive that the squad is so similar to last year. They'll all be gutted at working so hard and letting it slip, so should be extra determined to maintain concentration and be a bit more clinical and ruthless (especially when leading 20 nil for example!)

 

[jbb/james]

That's where we differ. I enjoy any game in which Manly is always leading by at least 6+ points.
Close games kill me, and losing games kill me even worse!

Geez this current team must be turning you grey. 26 points isnt a safe barrier anymore

 

[Ron E. Gibbs]

i know the word systems are thrown around as a magical but when it comes down to it, it just looks like game management. control and kicking over skills and footy

When I use the word "systems" in reference to footy, I'm thinking of shapes and patterns in both attack and defence that every player knows and is expected to adhere to. Compressing defence around the markers, for example, or jamming in, or sliding, and knowing when to do one thing instead of the other.

In attack, it's about thinking beyond one play at a time. Instead, it's about constructing an entire set of six, depending on where you have possession. How do we get the ball out of our own end? What do we do in the attacking third? And again, even if our players are coached that way, I don't see many signs of it on the field.

What makes Penrith so hard to beat is that all their players, seemingly over all grades, know their systems, so replacing one player with another doesn't make that big a difference to the team. Combine that with fitness and effort, and you can end up winning three grand finals in a row.

 

[jbb/james]

We need to break the bad habit of losing games we are expected to win easily.

This has always been and always will be ATTITUDE

We are also the team that lets 3 soft tries in the last 6 minutes becuase we are up by 20. Just dont bring the A game because the feel they have it under control

Soft underbelly mentally

 

[jbb/james]

When I use the word "systems" in reference to footy, I'm thinking of shapes and patterns in both attack and defence that every player knows and is expected to adhere to. Compressing defence around the markers, for example, or jamming in, or sliding, and knowing when to do one thing instead of the other.

In attack, it's about thinking beyond one play at a time. Instead, it's about constructing an entire set of six, depending on where you have possession. How do we get the ball out of our own end? What do we do in the attacking third? And again, even if our players are coached that way, I don't see many signs of it on the filed.

What makes Penrith so hard to beat is that all their players, seemingly over all grades, know their systems, so replacing one player with another doesn't make that big a difference to the team. Combine that with fitness and effort, and you can end up winning three grand finals in a row.

Good posts bud

Yeah I do understand but its not rocket surgery, it just needs players to buy in and execute and leadership to ensure its done.

Giving it tom is a system and repeating it shows application ……, possibly even the consistency we crave as we do it lots

I do love Penrith's fitness but they know the journey so they understand there roles and how long they have to do each, there field position and application saves them energy in spades

In 21 our forward pack was good enough because we had more ball from scoring every 74 seconds, the looked fit, even keppie and de luis was good enough

 

[Rosko]

When I use the word "systems" in reference to footy, I'm thinking of shapes and patterns in both attack and defence that every player knows and is expected to adhere to. Compressing defence around the markers, for example, or jamming in, or sliding, and knowing when to do one thing instead of the other.

In attack, it's about thinking beyond one play at a time. Instead, it's about constructing an entire set of six, depending on where you have possession. How do we get the ball out of our own end? What do we do in the attacking third? And again, even if our players are coached that way, I don't see many signs of it on the filed.

What makes Penrith so hard to beat is that all their players, seemingly over all grades, know their systems, so replacing one player with another doesn't make that big a difference to the team. Combine that with fitness and effort, and you can end up winning three grand finals in a row.

Four. And every point you make is valid.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Potentially it makes it a positive that the squad is so similar to last year. They'll all be gutted at working so hard and letting it slip, so should be extra determined to maintain concentration and be a bit more clinical and ruthless (especially when leading 20 nil for example!)

100%

And adding a couple of experienced hard nut forwards into the mix , not superstars , but good hard workers.

I’m extremely confident this year.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Four. And every point you make is valid.

And potentially five.

I’m not saying it’s all about Cleary , but in that system ( it’s all about supporting the way he works) everything is a numbers game.

Get enough chances in the oppositions red zone and Cleary will convert , often !!

They all are on a mission , the whole way they play is about winning the small things , consistently.

Something we lack , but I think the difference with the Panthers is almost every player comes from their juniors and it’s clear they start them in “ the system “ very young. So , by the time they are in their 20’s it’s second nature.

A very very smart football club.

 

[Under the Sticks]

Not in our game plan apparently.

Until we address this we will be also rans.

It’s no secret defence wins premierships and gives you ascendancy in games.

Rugby League is not a complex sport.

 

[Rafferty]

Not in our game plan apparently.

Until we address this we will be also rans.

It’s no secret defence wins premierships and gives you ascendancy in games.

Rugby League is not a complex sport.

Seibs before the game, this week it’s all about our D, we have the weapons (please) enough, learn the F CKEN basics of RL

 

[BOZO]

Seibs before the game, this week it’s all about our D, we have the weapons (please) enough, learn the the F CKEN basics of RL

Winning is not about how many weapons you have
Winning is all about how you use those weapons
Every coach have their own methods
This is why coaches do make a difference to a team

 

[Red Baron]

36 points conceded is unacceptable for 1st grade. 18 or less is what you want. Gotta work harder lads!

 

[KNUCKLES]

Our forwards have no ticker barring haumole ofcourse. Although blocker is right, no good hanging on an edge, get in and have a hitup. And also Tevaga, im liking the grittiness he is bringing. But honestly other than that, we are pretty soft. No line speed, no muscle, never win the contact nor the wrestle. Boys against men at times. Burbo, jurbo, waddell and co just don't have that hard edge to them.

 

[PONTIAN SEA EAGLE]

Nothing will change in defence there’s just no structure we need a new defence coach.

 

[sheridanstand78]

We were outworked, out enthused, and lacked committment in defence and the most disturbing thing was tries conceded from turnovers. too many!!

 

[maxta]

I didn't see a team with a defensive game plan tonight
I seen 1 team with a "let's go to war" gameplan vs a team looking to win fancy
Tonight's game plan looked to simply be "let's outscore this team"
Worse still didn't want any bruises to make it happen, I mean sure we skinned them a few times wide early on, but could only manage 1 try.
You MUST play direct in this comp and the only time you can simply shift is against unwilling defence like Cows last week.....but against physical sides the errors will Mount and the other side will gain confidence.
Rule A B and C is defence, but if your going to base your game on "let's simply put points or them, you need direct attack to knock down the front door or your side gates will be locked

 

[rj90]

36 points conceded is unacceptable for 1st grade. 18 or less is what you want. Gotta work harder lads!

4 time defending Premiers conceded 38 against arguably a way worse side..

 

[Nordburg]

4 time defending Premiers conceded 38 against arguably a way worse side..

Slight difference and it’s in your statement,” 4 time defending Premiers”
They can afford to have an off night in defence,they’ve proven their class.What has Manly shown?